Does the Manager Consider Council A Special Kind of Stupid


from Ted Noftall

7:49 PM

to Greg, Robin, Sonya, Joe, Mark, Corey, Jack, Ivan, Debbie, summer-c2

Mr. Kisela,
If Council endorses your explanation, that mumbling a few words during manager comments constituted approval for the revised policy you have proclaimed, then Port Orange truly is a consequence free zone for City employees.
BUT I am willing to bet that even this Council rooted as they are to in-action will eventually grow tired of your embarrassing after the fact revelations as to what they have been approving without ever realizing it.
You must consider Council to be a special kind of stupid if you do not expect them to  notice that your new e-mail requirements  based on  the ‘recommendation of special counsel’ came out on Jan 31st some 4 days before they authorized hiring the special counsel in the first place at their Feb 4th meeting.
But what the heck if you can convince them they authorized the new e-mail policy then you should have no trouble convincing them they likewise authorized that special counsel expenditure also.
I wonder do they even feel it when you change their nose rings ??
Ted Noftall

—–Original Message—–
From: Kisela, Greg []
Sent: Friday, February 07, 2014 4:33 PM
To: Ted Noftall; Fenwick, Robin; Laney, Sonya; ‘Joe Fazzie’; ‘Mark
Schaefer’; Corey Berman; ‘Jack Wiles’; ‘Ivan Cosimi’; ‘Debbie Connors’;
Mr. Noftall:
At the January 21st City Council meeting under City Manager’s comments I informed the Mayor and City Council that we were in the process of updating the City’s Electronic Information Systems Use Policy and would be requiring all Advisory Boards and Committees  to utilize City’s e-mail addresses to conduct City business.  I asked if any of the City Council had a concern with this approach and none of them did.   The original policy was effective on March 1, 2012 and signed by the previous City Manager, Ken Parker.   At the 21st meeting the City Attorney also advised the Mayor and City Council that she had retained special counsel to assist the City on these matters.
The changes to the policy and the requirement to have all City business conducted on the City’s e-mail addresses was a recommendation of the special counsel.
All of these efforts are being done to preserve public documents which is a statutory requirement.
Greg Kisela
City Manager

3 thoughts on “Does the Manager Consider Council A Special Kind of Stupid

  • February 9, 2014 at 11:09 am

    At the council meeting on January 21st, Mr. Kisela said two things: He was preparing a policy on record retention, and that he was going to provide city email addresses to members of varied boards. Failure to disagree with either of these two items in no way implies as Manager Kisela suggests that I as a councilman assents to the policy that he then imposed on board members. As I have noted the devil is always in the details. I have some concerns with the details which I will discuss with him.
    Most importantly, I believe the Manager has overstepped his authority by formulating rules for boards created and appointed by council without getting the assent on the specific by council. By Charter, policy is to be made by council not manager.
    I hope Ted is not suggesting that the Manager has a ring in my nose. Nothing could be further from the truth.

  • February 9, 2014 at 6:48 pm

    I often time UNFAIRLY group Bob Ford in my scathing remarks directed at ‘Council’ as I did in my last post. I know it and he knows it and those reading this post should know it also. I am more than willing to set the record straight on that score any time he inquires, And No the manager does not have a ring in Bob Ford’s nose. .
    I write as I do in hopes my style will encourage Bob to write as he did in offering; A considered explanation as to the proper role between the peoples representatives and the manager, Coupled with the conclusion that in this instance the manager over stepped his bounds.
    As a nation we are drowning in a sea of government excess in large measure because the proper relationship between the government and the people is not being honored.
    We are most fortunate to have Bob Ford on our Council as he is the only one who clearly and consistently recognizes that there is meant to be a proper relationship between government and the people.
    With varying degrees of dismay I am convinced the rest have not reached any consistent conclusions on that matter and some have yet to realize that question even exists.
    Bob Ford is the intellectual back bone of that Council and it would behoove anyone to listen well when he is speaking.

  • February 10, 2014 at 9:24 am

    If you have that big of an issue with the new City mgr and this policy, please set an appointment and take yourself to his office and discuss it with him. I have no need to continue to be copied on email and I think the other thirty something people that have been copied would agree. If you’d like, I’ll be happy to join you and discuss the issue with the City Manager.
    Tim Thompson, President
    Rich’s Electrical Service, LLC
    Port Orange, FL 32127
    386-767-7824 Office
    386-761-0671 Fax


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