City's Manager's Electronic Information Systems Ordinance Results In Cat Fight
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From: “Ted Noftall” <Ted@TedNoftall.com>
To: “Margaret Roberts” <mroberts@port-orange.org> City Attorney
Good afternoon Margaret,
Can you help me understand which specific “public records “ Manager Kisela is requesting that I forward to the City clerk pursuant to the “City’s newly adopted Electronic Information Systems ordinance”
The e-mail in question was sent to Manager Kisela, and while it was not originally copied to the City clerk it has been on several occasions since.
How at this point can the e-mail in question, or this one, or any other one that I send to a City e-mail address not be preserved in the public records of Port Orange.
Ted Noftall
ginal Message—–
From: Kisela, Greg [mailto:gkisela@port-orange.org]
Sent: Wednesday, April 23, 2014 1:58 PM
To: Ted Noftall; Fenwick, Robin
Subject: RE: Not so fast Mr. Kisela

All I know it what I told you in the e-mail. I was informed you had transmitted electronically the document to other individual(s) not on the original distribution list. If that is not the case than I stand corrected.
Greg Kisela
City Manager
From: Ted Noftall [mailto:Ted@TedNoftall.com]
To: ‘Ted Noftall’; Robin Fenwick (rfenwick@port-orange.org)
Cc: ‘tnoftall2@port-orange.org’
Subject: RE: Not so fast Mr. Kisela
Thank you Manager Kisela,
Which “public records” are you referring to ??
Ted Noftall
—–Original Message—–
From: Kisela, Greg [mailto:gkisela@port-orange.org]
Sent: Wednesday, April 23, 2014 11:34 AM
To: Ted Noftall
Cc: Fenwick, Robin; Roberts, Margaret
Subject: RE: Not so fast Mr. Kisela

I understand that you may have transmitted this document to another party or parties that are not included in your original distribution. If so, please provide within seventy-two (72) hours of being sent, pursuant to the City’s newly adopted Electronic Information Systems ordinance,“these public records” to the following e-mail address cityclerk@port-orange.org<mailto:cityclerk@port-orange.org>. Thank you for your cooperation on this matter.
Greg Kisela
City Manager
From: Ted Noftall [mailto:Ted@TedNoftall.com]
To: ‘Kisela, Greg’; Robin Fenwick
Cc: Bob Ford; Dennis Kennedy; don@amlsfl.com; Drew Bastian; Mayor Green
Subject: RE: Not so fast Mr. Kisela
Thank you Manager Kisela,
You have made clear that you are operating under the same misconception as the former manager and finance director …… namely internal control is something the Auditor comments on and, and to which you dutifully respond back that you have resolved, as in …. “21 of the 24 findings and comments identified in FY 2012 were resolved”
The problem with operating under that misconception is that the Auditor’s review of the City’s internal control is for a very limited purpose and use — as he makes clear on P 180 of the CAFR.
“In planning and performing our audit, we considered the City’s internal control over compliance with the requirements that could have a direct and material effect on a major state project to determine the auditing procedures for the purpose of expressing our opinion on compliance and to test and report on internal control over compliance in accordance with Chapter 10.550, Rules of the Auditor General, but not for the purpose of expressing an opinion on the effectiveness of internal control over compliance. Accordingly, we do not express an opinion on the effectiveness of internal control over compliance.
Our consideration of internal control over compliance was for the limited purpose described in the first paragraph of this section and was not designed to identify all deficiencies in internal control over compliance that might be material weaknesses or significant deficiencies. We did not identify any deficiencies in internal control over compliance that we consider to be material weaknesses. However, material weaknesses may exist that have not been identified.
The purpose of this report on internal control over compliance is solely to describe the scope of our testing of internal control over compliance and the results of that testing based on the requirements of Chapter 10.550, Rules of the Florida Auditor General. Accordingly, this report is not suitable for any other purpose” (09-30-2013 CAFR P 180)
The practical effect of operating under your misconception is that every half dozen years or so taxpayers get hosed with major asset misappropriations due to improperly designed, implemented or monitored controls as typified by the water debacle in the fall of 2012 which was in full swing when you came on board.
Since you find considering “internal controls” in these terms to be “ baffling” let me help as best I can.
“The design, implementation, and maintenance of internal control relevant to the preparation and fair presentation of financial statements that are free from material misstatement, whether due to fraud or error.“ ( Independent Auditors’ Report – CAFR P 21 ) IS MEANT TO BE AN ONGOING PRO-ACTIVE OPERATION.
That means the City NEEDS TO TAKE A PAGE from the private sector where misappropriated assets belong to shareholders with a vested interest sufficiently high to be insistent on meaningful responsibility and accountability to hopefully prevent, but if not punish such misappropriations AND START DESIGNING, IMPLEMENTING, and MONITORING NEW AND ENHANCED INTERNAL CONTROLS ON AN ONGOING BASIS.
ACCORDINGLY I would again ask;
Does the City sub out the design, implementation, and maintenance of internal control, OR does it perform that task in house, OR is that task not performed at all ??
AND IF the City performs that task in house who actually performs that design, implementation, and maintenance ?
AND WHAT qualifications and experience does that individual or individuals possess to adequately discharge the important task of designing, implementing and monitoring controls adequate to safeguarding taxpayer assets .…. because if any of your Finance staff including your Finance Director or Comptroller is a degreed accountant, or holds a CPA designation , or has any recent professional accounting or auditing experience those facts are well concealed on their resumes. ??
I will address your threat or promise, real or implied to “remove administrative officials” critical of what can only be characterized as your ‘good enough for government work standards’ in a subsequent e-mail.
Ted Noftall
Ted you are being duped. It is obvious the Manager is doing his best to stifle you. He is huddling with his hand picked management team defensively and not responding to Council or appointed Boards. That was recognized and commented on by Council themselves.
If I recall correctly partly due to your efforts Council made the City Manager read file open to the public with the previous Manager. It included ALL emails to and from the Manager internally and externally. Information was redacted as needed. This was for Transparency after the Fiasco began for the protection of us taxpayers and so that Council was never again blindsided.
This Manager apparently never emails anyone other than a couple of the activists. He never answers questions via email and very rarely even sends any. The read file is a file full of Spam and not much more. He either does Nothing according to his email activity or operates underground in the dark like a rodent.
The read file is nothing more than a glorified spam box and appointment book. If you operate in a dark room I suppose that means you are not ” in the sunshine”. I would ask that he put on some sun screen and come out and enjoy the sunshine with everyone else.
Well…. All I can say is Mr.Kisela was not aware of our drug free work place. He was not aware that all employees were to be screened before hire and during employment. That tells me that he did not test, nor did he test his new hires.
Yay Drew for pointing out the higher standard for our leaders. “Council shall not make any law that they are not subject to.” Nor is our manager above that, or any other department. I say I will put my bottom tax dollar on testing.
I advise that people stop opposing Mr. Noftall and start recognizing. He doesn’t have a team.He has an army of followers.Open Government. I know he stands by that. Sonya is right about change is hard. Learning is difficult in this modern world. With that being said, don’t even try to shut down our one citizen rights activist….or shit is gonna hit the fan!!!!
Mayor Green I quote ” We’ve been through a lot of crap in the last 6 to 8 months”. What terminology from the Mayor. HMMMM. Why Mayor? Why Mizz Roberts did sunshine come into effect?? Why?? Ted questioned in public meeting why? Your response was to speak in private with Ted. Why? Inquiring minds want to know! Why?