Greg says: I did not represent that we tracked the yearly expenses ……


From: Ted Noftall []
Sent: Wednesday, May 07, 2014 11:43 AM
To: Fenwick, Robin
Cc: Kisela, Greg
Subject: Financial FOI

profitLossGood morning Robin,
I was pleased to learn at  last evening Council meeting  that Finance does indeed track revenue and expenses—profit and loss,  on water and sewer business it conducts outside the city limits,  AND THAT  major supply purchases such as were discussed in last evenings change orders are not expensed as made but rather are booked into inventory.
In that regard please supply the following pursuant to Florida’s Freedom of Information statutes.

  • *) Profit and loss for both water sales and sewer processing for the first half of the current fiscal year and for each of the previous 3 fiscal years, segmented as between the cities of Daytona Beach Shores and Ponce Inlet,   and the County of Volusia.
  • *)  Screen shot of the general ledger inventory account(s)  indicating additions to and withdrawals  from,   along with the subsidiary ledger(s)  against which quantities are balanced against those General ledger dollar totals for each of the past 6 months.

Please call to discuss  if this material can be produced  in one manner vs another that is less time consuming for Finance staff.
This transmission is being made in my capacity as a private citizen,  and should not be construed as being made in any other. 

Ted: I did not represent that we tracked the yearly expenses for Daytona Beach Shores, Ponce Inlet and the fly-in areas on annual basis.  I represented that we had cost of service studies/calculations  for the rates we charged these entities.   Some of these studies/calculations  maybe dated depending on when they were last completed.
I will defer to Finance on what reports are available on the inventory levels.   As you know we are constantly receiving and charging out material for utility work.
I will defer to Margaret Roberts, City Attorney,  if this material when distributed to you, remains a public record since it falls under the responsibility you oversee on the Audit and Budget Board.
Greg Kisela
City Attorney


4 thoughts on “Greg says: I did not represent that we tracked the yearly expenses ……

  • May 7, 2014 at 5:35 pm

    Can it be that City Hall knew they could not shut you up, like the Mayor did on POGTV in a CRA meeting, with Ben Tallutto? Could it be that they couldn’t beat you, couldn’t join you, and so made you a team member, in order to direct, influence and perhaps change your mode of communication to the citizens of Port Orange?
    I am happy to see that you are wisely dealing with this possibility.
    == hank

  • May 7, 2014 at 5:52 pm

    This sounds like BS Ted. Can you feel the tickle? Is someone trying to blow smoke up your keester. Like they tried to do to Mike Gardiner last night on the subject of meters. Cost of service studies/calculations? Really? Is that what they call a guestimate?
    I think we need an audit or a study or a report from a consultant.$$$ If they don’t have a way to track this then they should set up a methodology. Your request seems to have already been misconstrued. This should be public information under any situation.

  • May 7, 2014 at 8:20 pm

    I have seen you sent back to your seat at meetings with no answer countless times. The famous quote is “We’ll get back to you on that one” Can’t you reply to the” We’ll get back to you on that one” when will I have that answer by date and by whom specifically? That would go on the record. A little less wiggle room for repeated non answers. Not only have we lost faith in the Manager but now Council for accepting this arrogant behavior.
    The mayor and manager seem to echo each other and are now very much in tune and comfortable with each other. It is almost like they rehearse together. The other three members are left turning their heads at each other while you get shuffled back to your seat. You walk back and the three that were turning their heads now have a puzzled look on their faces as we quickly race forward to the next item for discussion. They too have a right to speak to your requests. They are being disrespected also.
    Your questions are intelligent, fact based and absolutely worthy of an answer. You certainly do your homework. I often get lost in your pursuit of financial records as I do not fully understand them but the time you devote is certainly appreciated.


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