"… no response since the original email on June 10th! "

On Jun 17, 2014, at 8:34 PM, “Burnette, Don” <dburnette@port-orange.org> wrote: ….
Greg, Can we get this answered?  ….
Don Burnette, MBA
Vice Mayor, City of Port Orange


from:  Nancy Kendrick
         3591 Sugarplum Lane
         (386) 304-3384

noResponseFrom: adamsny@adamsny.net [mailto:adamsny@adamsny.net]
Sent: Tuesday, June 17, 2014 8:06 PM
To: Kisela, Greg; Lewis, Shannon; Roberts, Margaret; Saunders, Wayne; Cinefro, Tom; Clark, Wayne; Green, Allen; Burnette, Don; Ford, Bob; Bastian, Drew; Kennedy, Dennis
Subject: RE: What’s The Cost?
Apparently, this was taken with no seriousness as there has been no response since the original email on June 10th!  To reiterate, what are the costs of requests by those mentioned in the email?
And as an addition, specifically – Ted Notfall?
Thank you,
Ron and Nancy

——– Original Message ——–
Subject: What’s The Cost?
From: <adamsny@adamsny.net>
Date: Tue, June 10, 2014 7:50 pm
To: gkisela@port-orange.orgslewis@port-orange.org,
To All,
Each of you receives numerous requests from individuals such as Ted Notfall, The Gardner’s, Mr. White, and numerous others throughout the year for detailed information and research that requires the time of paid employee’s of the City of Port Orange.  Those requests require the time of individuals to include the City Manager and his immediate staff, Council, the City attorney’s office and staff, Wayne Saunders and his immediate staff, the entire finance staff, just to name a few.  It appears some who are making these numerous requests may be taking advantage! In an effort not to cost the City of Port Orange anymore research or money, yet playing devils advocate, how much do these requests cost the City of Port Orange and in return the TAX PAYERS just for the years of 2013 and 2014!
Let’s face it, the wonderful employee’s of our City have a great deal more to do than personal research for a select few that have an agenda!  Does this research for those select few offer anything to the progress, growth, and improvement of the City of Port Orange?  It appears a great deal of tax payer dollars are spent for the “SELECT FEW!” and not the majority of the residents of this fine city!
Agenda’s aside, it isn’t about YOU it’s about US!  It’s time to find out!
Thank you for your valuable time and with kind regards,
Ron and Nancy


Vice Mayor: I will check tomorrow with the City Clerk’s  office to see if we can estimate the time and cost to produce the records and documents that had been requested by the parties identified.
Greg Kisela
City Manager

16 thoughts on “"… no response since the original email on June 10th! "

  • June 18, 2014 at 1:42 pm

    In reply to:Ron & Nancy
    Information requests are one of OUR rights as a united states citizen under the freedom of information act. There is absolutely nothing wrong with information requests. This provides YOU as a citizen a way to monitor YOUR government. If WE had honest, transparent management in OUR fine city government there in all probability would be no need for these requests The people that YOU refer to that are making these request are helping YOU and US unless YOU are the SELECT FEW that don’t care if WE are being screwed by OUR fine city government and management.
    Kind Regards
    Bill and Hillary

  • June 18, 2014 at 6:07 pm

    Hey Don,
    Kind of ironic that Ron and Nancy are not requesting existing documents as the FOI statutes are designed to provide, AND at supposed minimal cost, BUT RATHER they are requesting that valuable staff time be devoted to determining the cost of producing previously requested documents.
    None-the less I certainly support their right to inquire as to whatever costs they wish to know about. Actually there are a few costs that Port Orange taxpayer have incurred that I have been wondering about myself, RESULTING FROM incompetent handling of the:
    *) Recent water line break.
    *) $400,000 un-authorizied overspending, AND the attempted Council deceit.
    *) Median mowing by City employees resulting from the ham-fisted handling of the Tuff-turf mowing contract.
    *) Bidding process that results in few submittals to numerous proposal requests.
    *) The thousands of hours staff has spent entertaining the schemes of the Riverwalk promoter.
    Looking forward to your support in determining theses costs also.
    Ted Noftall

    • June 18, 2014 at 9:08 pm

      Ted, add to that the covert plan to circumvent civil service rules and free market value by importing and interloping pension padding management team of FCCMA retreads. In one case the Lifesaver hiring an FCCMA retread that did not even apply for the job, does not have a required employment application on file, with no background investigation being performed on him, and having been fired for egregious acts against city employees and public utility safety violations. This very individual supplanting legitimate external candidates, one with an advanced management and engineering degree which was the preferred external recommendation by senior technical staff in public utilities and also supplanting time tested internal candidates who legitimately applied by the bylaws of the organization they served for decades. What will Mr. Kisela do if it turns out one of his FCCMA retreads is found to be habitually recidivistic in his utter lack of concern or understanding of safety protocols or employee rights and wellbeing issues. Somehow I think these retreads are simply an extension of Mr. Kisela’s own failing agenda, and if this is not the city council’s agenda as well they need to step in and eradicate this cancer before it metastasizes to a point that it becomes terminal to the City of Port Orange.

  • June 18, 2014 at 8:21 pm

    Wow..hoist with his own petard…..don’t you hate when that happens?
    In modern usage the phrase hoist with one’s own petard, means “to be harmed by one’s own plan to harm someone else” or “to fall into one’s own trap,” implying that one could be lifted up (hoist, or blown upward) by one’s own bomb. A famous phrase from Hamlet…..you know…. Shakespeare.
    A Freedom of Information request about someone else’s Freedom of Information request.
    We get it Nancy and Ron. It’s hard to get information out of this city. A simple request never worked for us either. Repeated simple requests. And our health, safety and welfare were involved. And our homes. Why we finally resorted to the Freedom of Information Act.
    “Most human affairs come down to depending upon whose ox is gored.” Martin Luther.
    Dianne Templeton Gardner

  • June 18, 2014 at 8:58 pm

    Well put Ted and Dianne. We are THEIR bosses. We are the share and stake holders of this City. Complete transparency is absolutely our right. Our Council was duly elected to represent our concerns not their own or worrying about stepping on someone’s toes. Wake up Council and make the proper choices. You are working for us the citizens are you not?

    • June 18, 2014 at 9:23 pm

      Yes Port Orange Senior, we are their bosses, and we have elected officials that we have voted in and put our faith in as their constituency. These elected officials are our representatives and are supposed to be the city manager’s bosses. They are supposed to compel the city manager to be totally transparent. Unfortunately, it has been abundantly clear that the city manager has effectively become their boss. The city manager’s agents such as the assistant city manager, finance director, H.R./I.T. director, public utilities director, and finance director obfuscate the truth and deceive certain members of the city council, especially councilman Ford to buy time for the city manager and protect their jobs. I think the city manager works exclusively for the mayor and unfortunately the rest of the city council as our elected officials have become entirely neutered. Someone has to emerge as a hero and eradicate this political cancer.

  • June 18, 2014 at 9:34 pm

    I am thinking about submitting a Freedom of Information request to ascertain the cost to the city for Nancy & Ron’s frivolous ‘Freedom of Information request’ wherein they requested an in-depth analyses of the city’s total cost for other citizens prior Freedom of Information request.
    What do you think?
    Is the above a compound-complex or complex-compound sentence?

    • June 19, 2014 at 4:34 am

      OMG…you guys are killing me…you are too clever Pat……I am so fortunate to live in a community with all these rich and varied intellects. Thank God for thinkers. And fearless askers of questions. My 91 year old mom, Mary Templeton, retired 40 year Port Orange teacher, and champion forensic college debater, taught me as a small child, never unquestioningly trust authority. She talked about Jefferson and the Founders. She raised me to speak out over injustice and demand answers. Looks like there are a few others out there who got that in their baby formulas too.
      Have these apologists for Port Orange City Government forgotten why we fought WWII and what happens when free speech is stifled? Good grief….Hitler, Stalin, Putin, Nixon, etc. would be proud of these folks. Hell….we are all probably on an enemies list somewhere. My old granddaddy, Paul Johnson, who came over on a boat from Greece in 1911 was worried about Hitler long before he was really hitting the average person’s radar..back in the early 1930s. Evil triumphs when good men and women do nothing. That is not over the top. True then, true now.
      Can someone explain to me the rationale behind wanting to silence your fellow citizens who are just asking some very reasonable questions about their city’s actions? And especially this city. Just a cursory look at this city’s history….Parker’s reign of mismanagement and all its attendant corruption, all the scandals that were uncovered in 2012 and 2013 and their shocking costs to us as taxpayers… and the mismanagement and the absolute opaque style that continues under Kisela, et al. I am just not getting it. Manager Kisela is a master of the non answer. Drives me nuts.
      I would be thinking Ted Noftall would be feted, given a plaque and a cash reward for his incisive questions to council, his herculean efforts before council and on the Audit and Budget board and his demands for accountability. Look at the time this man commits to these efforts. .And he runs a big business in his spare time. Without any taxpayer subsidies. No TIF for Ted. Taxpayer’s Lifesaver Award for Ted would be my mantra. And all you guys would be getting serious honorable mentions for all these thoughtful posts…again…Dianne ain’t getting it. Can someone ‘splain?
      Dianne Templeton Gardner
      618 Ruth Street
      Port Orange, Florida 32127
      PS: feel free to call me up and yell at me..anyone out there…I want to hear from you!! Let me tell you how I came to my current positions about this city. Or hell….just read some of our old posts on this website or on the manager’s read log….it all started back in late October 2013 for us. What happened to us on Ruth Street/Powers Avenue at the city’s hands is everywhere on this blog and can be Googled too. We had skin in the game on this deal. Not just some frivolous attack on our poor beleaguered city for the hell of it.

  • June 18, 2014 at 9:40 pm

    Read the linked article, watch the video in it, and contemplate the message. I think if you evaluate this information that you will realize what the root of the problem in Port Orange city management and government is. There is a simple solution that a majority of elected officials will have to act upon. I do not think the mayor will act upon this revelation because he is probably a part of this problem and opposes the solution because the existing problem that has been imported may be in the mayor’s financial best interest.

  • June 18, 2014 at 10:27 pm

    We need to be introspective and analyze the root of the city’s problems. I believe Don Juan Matus has hit the nail on the head and the trickster Floki has reaffirmed this. Do your research, make your own decision, and then decide if you want the bus to be driven by pathology.

  • June 18, 2014 at 10:30 pm

    What qualities should our city management have? The Mayor, city manager and his mit’s
    Motivating their employees to make them feel good if they are doing a great job!
    Tell their employees how much they are appreciated
    Managers should under-promise and over deliver
    Hold themselves to the highest standards!
    Assume responsibility for their employees mistakes!
    DON’T TAKE CREDIT for YOUR EMPLOYEES ACHIEVEMENTS (like Jason Yarbrough did, he wasn’t even involved at the time- but took credit)
    Acknowledge your mistakes
    Keep the door open without having to worry that you might lose your job
    Communicate effectively and openly
    Listen to your employees- they might know more than you about the problems and solutions
    Treat citizens and employees equally with complete openness

  • June 18, 2014 at 11:04 pm

    Didn’t Jason Yarborough recently update his online profile and resume to stipulate that he received the two prestigious State awards that Port Orange Public Utilities employees submitted for in September of 2013 and were awarded by the FDEP and FSAWWA for their accomplishments in the previous year before Jason Yarborough even worked for Port Orange? If you read his previous resume it reads that he and him alone has won a myriad of awards from organizations that he has passed through and even been forced to resign from. These awards all require expert knowledge and professional understanding of an occupation populated by fiduciary professionals. Try asking him a rudimentary question about these disciplines and he will say something like what me worry. Did the Range Rider call in a favor to Lifesaver Kisela to take in this employee abusing retread?

  • June 19, 2014 at 8:09 am

    Don Burnette is complaining about Kisela not responding to the Ron & Nancy email, but it has not gone unnoticed by most of us that Don does not respond to Ted Noftall emails. That sounds like a classic case of hypocrisy to us.

  • June 19, 2014 at 8:43 pm

    Dear Ron and Nancy,
    You have a perfect right to your opinions, however if you are contemplating becoming “city activists you should do your homework and be a little more informed about what is really going on otherwise you look silly.

    • June 19, 2014 at 9:43 pm

      Mazie Daisy Fancy Worker do you care to elucidate on your post. We are waiting with baited breath that we may have an intelligent discourse with you. I am assuming that you have substantive discourse by which we may be enlightened and edified.


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