On His Way Out The Door, Did Greg Just Smack Ted ?

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From: Rivera, Cynthia 
Sent: Friday, August 01, 2014 5:09 PM
To: Fenwick, Robin (rfenwick@port-orange.org); Kisela, Greg (gkisela@port-orange.org); City Council; ‘Jmeadows55@gmail.com’; ‘jjjdaytona@aol.com’; ‘mckinney@mindspring.com’; Newton White; ‘stiltner4council@yahoo.com’; ‘laneyforportorange@gmail.com’; Ford, Bob; Lewis, Shannon
GregKiselaSubject: Letter from Greg Kisela – Public Records Request


Robin,

Please see attached letter.

Thank you,
Cindy



 
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52 thoughts on “On His Way Out The Door, Did Greg Just Smack Ted ?

  • August 1, 2014 at 7:31 pm
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    WOW !
    Maybe Ted didn’t have his I’s dotted and T’s crossed after all.
    Doesn’t matter what side of the fence you are on, Kisela brings up valid points.

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  • August 1, 2014 at 7:48 pm
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    Hank,
    Are you implying you don’t want comments regarding this ?

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    • August 1, 2014 at 8:29 pm
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      No , I do want comments. I meant I don’t feel like comment. The issue seems beyond my expertise but maybe others have some useful comments to make. I will be reading.

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      • August 1, 2014 at 8:50 pm
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        Understand, it’s above my pay grade too.

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  • August 1, 2014 at 7:51 pm
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    Everyone, this kind of shows what I’m talking about. At some point we can all be criticized or investigated. Doesnt make us right or wrong, theirs just always another opinion out their. Let’s all put the nonsense to the side and go to work on fixing Port Orange. How about from now on, if you identify an issue to be corrected, also identify a solution to fix it. I say no complaining without bringing a solution along with it. I assume non of us are high schoolers anymore.

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    • August 2, 2014 at 11:59 am
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      There are some legitimate issues at hand, but this really IS getting to be like high school, girly, facebook drama. Next thing, we’ll be seeing, “cc: Mommy” at the bottom of a letter. Really, guys, grow a pair!

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      • August 2, 2014 at 2:39 pm
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        Kay, the issue of whether Ted although a chairman on a city citizen board can communicate as a citizen, is very important. See the comments below by Gabe Athouse, which was posted after your remarks.

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  • August 1, 2014 at 7:59 pm
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    Finally Noftall gets a taste of his own medicine. How does it taste Ted? Council needs to vote this joke off the board.

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  • August 1, 2014 at 8:12 pm
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    And the tables have turned!

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  • August 1, 2014 at 8:24 pm
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    Why was the accountability delayed until now if this was a known issue ?

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    • August 1, 2014 at 9:34 pm
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      Because the Canadian thought he was above us and Florida law as a “citizen”‘ eh?

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  • August 1, 2014 at 8:43 pm
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    Ted may not have been correct 100% of the time but in the 90’s on facts. Every time the egg timer ran out Ted was sent back to his seat and told we’ll get back to you on that. They never did. That would raise suspicion. The City has a bad report card and must be watched like a child until they get their act together. Mr. Onlooker this site has piece by piece and working together assembled many improprieties. It’s kind of a Tea Party Site if you will. I suggest you start your own cheerleading site if you can’t handle the negativity here. We are concerned about misuse of OUR tax dollars. You sure seem to sound like one of the recipients of the like. We will continue to share information be it true or not and piece together intelligently what is actually factual. If your rear end is getting warm perhaps you should jump out of the frying pan.

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  • August 1, 2014 at 9:27 pm
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    What are you people speaking of? How do you know Ted is not willing to comply? Let’s not forget the hours and hours Ted has volunteered to uncover scandalous things going on in this city. Are you haters that blind? Greg was paid 180,000 a year to get things straight, Ted did it for free. People do not leave 6 figure jobs one after another because of one mouthy citizen. Think about it. The truth is coming folks then you can choke on your keyboards.

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    • August 1, 2014 at 10:10 pm
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      Stalker: agree but why didn’t Ted sign the form and utilize city e mail and fully comply with the sunshine laws ? Why would he give them any ammo to fire back ?
      Or has he done all this and Kisela has nothing ? I want the truth exposed and the mess cleaned up too. I do question the timing of Kisela’s accusations – after the fact .

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      • August 1, 2014 at 11:00 pm
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        Concerned citizen: #1 Who says he didn’t? # 2 Who says he did? # 3 What IS with Greg’s timing? Answer: The truth has been exposed and the mess has been cleaned up!!! That is why Greg is leaving!! HELLO!!

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  • August 1, 2014 at 9:37 pm
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    A’boat time the nimby Gardner’s find out who they are in bed with.

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    • August 2, 2014 at 6:25 am
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      Really nice pun ANONYMOUS…..how would you like a sweet little bufferless boatyard in your back yard? Ok…actually a huge bufferless boatyard…… Bet it can be arranged…or something equivalent…
      Let me see if I can pair you up with just the right developer …….get your neighbors on board too…I am sure they will rise up enmasse and thank you for your efforts……such developments really improve property values and enhance neighborhood ambience. ….a great way to meet your neighbors too…really brings people together…
      How about some of you anonymous cowards identifying yourselves so we can know your agendas and who your “behind the scenes” supporters are?…..yeah……like that will happen on a cold day in Hell….you are a a surrogate for someone……come on….tell us who……am betting my tax dollar is in there somewhere too…..I could speculate…
      ….you are apologists for corruption and taxpayer waste….and I don’t get that …guess that’s what makes America great…
      Ted Noftall is a principled man…..and he came to my defense when I needed help…….and he has the courage to identify himself…and the courage of his convictions…..he is talking about issues and factual stuff……too bad you do not have Ted’s same level of morality……
      Dianne Templeton Gardner…..AKA NIMBY..

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  • August 1, 2014 at 9:41 pm
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    He isn’t just threatening Ted, he did that poor girl in utilities dirty too on his way out the door among threatening a man to write an apology on his e-mail. Evidently you people don’t even watch council meetings or you would have seen how scandalous he presented himself with attorney Roberts. I don’t for one minute believe Destin asked him to come beg I believe he begged. If he continues this behavior he will be followed.

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    • August 2, 2014 at 8:12 am
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      Actually Kisela was right at the council meeting. It was the city attorney that decided to renegotiate the managers contract when he exercised his voluntary resignation clause. All the information the city was looking for was already in the contract Kisela signed when Port Orange hired him. You dont get to change the contract language now because you dont feel like you did it correctly when you hired the guy.

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  • August 1, 2014 at 10:31 pm
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    The poor budget analyst who was an expert in finance who overspend a contract by 411’000? Poor thing..

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  • August 1, 2014 at 11:19 pm
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    If manager Kisela wants to single out Ted on his way out the door he better think twice. He is attacking a citizen for exercising his rights. If he wants to hold Ted to this standard than he should do the same to every person on every board or committee involved in city business He should go through all of their computers and cell phones and retrieve all of their notes taken at every meeting. That would really encourage people to get involved. He should quit sniveling and tuck his tail between his legs and leave. He has cost another city hundreds of thousands of dollars in his past for singling out someone and has probably put into motion law suits against Port Orange that have yet to be revealed. We do have this thing called the first amendment. He’s playing with fire. This little game he is playing with his personal vendetta could go beyond civil law and it puts the city at considerable risk. Hank is right this matter is between Kisela and Noftall but Kisela is acting as the CEO of the city which now makes the city liable. He has also opened himself for legal action from the city for any monetary damages incurred due to his actions.
    The Doctor has spoken.

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    • August 2, 2014 at 8:17 am
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      I disagee. Kisela isnt going after a citizen hes going after the chairman of the A&B Committee, a city council appointed position. In the CMs mind Ted is a city official and subject to the same rules and conduct that he complains about at every council meeting. Ive got news for you, in this day and age if you use your personal computer to do city business we all have a right to review the contents of the computer. This used to be a grey area in the law but I believe those areas have been clarified. Ted will either have to pony up the information or face charges he destroyed public records. You dont get to hold every city official accountable then claim your position is somehow exempt when the tables are turned. Ted might have a big problem here.

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    • August 2, 2014 at 4:35 pm
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      I agree with Dr. Wu. Also it is assumed that Ted carries a wallet with important documents inside to and from board meetings, Does that mean that by way of a freedom of information request we can ask to look in Ted’s wallet ?
      If Ted is compelled to supply a copy of everything he ever carried into a meeting then that same requirement must apply to all members of city boards, committees and council including their wallets.
      Does anyone out there wish to submit a freedom of information request to obtain all the information on all councilmen’s IPADS, Cell phones and in their wallets that they carry into public meetings. And if they ever used the word (Port Orange) on their families private email account, you may also want to request a copy of those communications also
      If the above sounds a little crazy maybe we can safely say Kisela is losing it.

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      • August 2, 2014 at 4:53 pm
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        The Ipads are issued by the city so they carry public records. The councilmen know that they have no rights to privacy in regards to those iPads. The CM requested items in which Ted was doing city business. He didnt ask for is wallet or his private items.
        Of course when it comes to issues like this we like to exaggerate the extent of what is public or private to make a point but the reality is that Ted is an appointed board member and subject to Sunshine Laws. We also say city officials open themselves up to this scrutiny by seeking those high profile positions, well that works both ways…. If you become high profile on the other side of that coin expect to be scrutinzed as well. Ill be interested to see how this all plays out.

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      • August 2, 2014 at 4:56 pm
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        5/5/08 http://www.naplesnews.com/news/local-news/judge-finds-marco-councilor-guilty-sunshine-law-vi
        Marco Island City Councilman Chuck Kiester attends a hearing on Thursday at the Collier County Courthouse where he was found guilty of violating the State of Florida’s public records laws by deleting e-mails pertaining to city business on his home computer. Kiester was fined the maximum penalty of $500 under the law requiring public officials to keep record of and make available all public records, including e-mails, pertaining to public business.
        Marco Island City Councilman Chuck Kiester testifies at a hearing on Thursday, Feb. 7, 2008 at the Collier County Courthouse where he was found guilty of violating the State of Florida’s public records laws by deleting e-mails pertaining to city business on his home computer. Kiester was fined the maximum penalty of $500 under the law requiring public officials to keep record of and make available all public records, including e-mails, pertaining to public business.

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  • August 2, 2014 at 4:59 am
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    Dear Greg,
    Are you perhaps confused over the difference between “rights” and “powers?” Rights, of course, being the possessions of individuals and powers being granted to governments by those individuals, not vice versa. The fact that you want to see what is on Ted’s personal computers and cell phones gives you neither right to that information nor any power to compel Ted to give you that information. If you disagree, get a judge to back you up.
    The Sunshine Law and the Freedom of Information Act are designed to protect the individual’s right of access to open and transparent government. It is laughable to think that government has any similar right of access to individuals. Just as government has no rights, it has no money or possessions of its own—your $150,000.00+ salary and the cell phone and computer provided you by the City of Port Orange came from the taxpayers and they should have access to them. Ted is a volunteer board member and has no taxpayer supplied electronic devices. If you think that Ted has used his personal electronic devices to somehow thwart the Public Records laws (to what end is something only you can imagine) I have a suggestion for you. Jump up and down, scream, tear at your hair, punch walls and get a judge to subpoena them. Otherwise, learn to live with the fact that this is still America.
    OOPS—I apologize for getting carried away, Greg. This parting shot from you at Ted is really not worth the effort. What it all boils down to in the end is that there is nothing opaque at all about Ted Noftall and you don’t need a Public Records request to find out what he is doing or thinking. Simply use your eyes and ears.
    I happen to like Ted and agree with much of what he says but I still cringe occasionally at how he says things. So what! I learned long ago that guys like Ted are great watchdogs. Just observe who tries to shut them up—that’s where the real danger lies.
    Best,
    Mike Gardner
    618 Ruth St
    Port Orange, FL 32127
    386-527-1959
    manddgardner@cfl.rr.com
    PS Dianne and I like to visit the Panhandle every now and then. We’ll try to catch a Destin City Council meeting if the opportunity presents itself.

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    • August 2, 2014 at 8:27 am
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      Mike,
      I believe you might be wrong. The manager did not ask for the records of a citizen he asked for the records of a city appointed board member. The CM makes a valid point and he will most likely win this argument. Ted may have some questions to answer if he destroyed public records. He is some guidance:
      “The Government in the Sunshine Law applies to “any board or commission of any state agency or authority or of any agency or authority of any county, municipal corporation, or political subdivision.” The statute thus applies to public collegial bodies within this state, at the local as well as state level. City of Miami Beach v. Berns, 245 So. 2d 38 (Fla. 1971). It is equally applicable to elected and appointed boards or commissions. AGO 73-223.
      Florida courts have stated that it was the Legislature’s intent to extend application of the Sunshine Law so as to bind “every ‘board or commission’ of the state, or of any county or political subdivision over which it has dominion and control.” Times Publishing Company v. Williams, 222 So. 2d 470, 473 (Fla. 2d DCA 1969)”

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      • August 2, 2014 at 8:30 am
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        Here is a little bit more on the subject.
        “Advisory boards created pursuant to law or ordinance or otherwise established by public agencies are subject to the Sunshine Law, even though their recommendations are not binding upon the entities that create them. See Town of Palm Beach v. Gradison, 296 So. 2d 473 (Fla. 1974) (citizen planning committee appointed by city council to assist in revision of zoning ordinances subject to Sunshine Law).”

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        • August 2, 2014 at 10:08 am
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          Who the hell let the lawyer post on this blog?

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      • August 2, 2014 at 2:40 pm
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        Gabe thank you for the references. I have had phone calls and e mails correspondence with city council people. Does that mean that both theirs and my phone calls and emails are subject to public information as public documents?

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        • August 2, 2014 at 3:31 pm
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          Hank you are not a public official.so the answer is no.. If you correspond through their official channels then yes Id say when their emails are sought after and you are part of the communication then yes your emails are public record. As for cell phones if it was used as a public official to conduct public business it most likely can become public record.
          Like commingling of finances in busines the commingling of communications in government might just have what you thought was private become very public. Since you are not on appointed board or an elected official you are not subject to sunshine laws like Ted Noftall. I should also say I am not a lawyer just opining on what I see and understand about Sunshine Law.
          The now Ex Manager has a point, you do not get to demand open communication for all officials then denounce attempts to get yourself into compliance. Clearly Mr Noftall has not denounced this attempt but others have already come to his defense on this issue.

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    • August 2, 2014 at 2:37 pm
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      Mike, don’t slack off…..follow the dirrt hauling and all will be well.

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  • August 2, 2014 at 9:59 am
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    One last tidbit. This isnt govt seeking a citizens records. Kisela is a citizen now.

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  • August 2, 2014 at 3:09 pm
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    I have been observing comments on this blog site for several months and never had the time to comment on any of the issues that were published. But recent actions by the city manager compel me to take the time to give my opinion on this issue.
    Up until today you could say I had been a fan of both Greg Kisela and Ted Noftall. Greg was doing the best he could in managing a complex organization and Ted was doing a good job at being the necessary squeaky wheel. I am of the opinion that all government agencies should have citizen watchdogs looking over their shoulder. People like Noftall serve an important function by helping to keep government corruption and incompetence to a minimum. For years at almost every council meeting Noftell has been making recommendations for improving city operations. And almost every time he gets the same condescending answer from the Mayor “we’ll get back to you on that”
    Greg’s recent immature and deceitful stunt on his final day has turned me off on his credibility. After his employment with the city ended at 5 pm on Friday Aug.1, he pretended to send a freedom of information request using a private letterhead from his home, however the record shows that he actually used a city employee (his assistant) to send the request through the city owned PDF document system about 9 minutes after he was unemployed. Not sure it that is illegal or just devious.
    I am also confused by the mindset of those few that fault Noftell for making known many negative issues including the losses of millions in taxpayers money by city screw-ups. I would like to know if any of the issues he brought to light were erroneous or fabricated or do Noftell’s adversaries just have a kill-the-messenger mentality..
    I feel bad that all the screw-ups by this and past administration make our great city look bad, but if the shoe fits…..

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    • August 2, 2014 at 4:35 pm
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      And yes, hopefully Scott Stiltner will help clean this mess up in District 4.

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  • August 2, 2014 at 5:17 pm
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    Are the Port Orange Watchdogs really just Watch Puppies? They sure do bark a lot but when the heat is on it seems they become very quiet or they back peddle. For example when the discussion took place about the managers arly release a number of “watchdogs” ran to the podium to tell Mr Kisela how much they liked him and how they never wanted him to resign. Were they worried that there might be some retribution from the citizen Kisela? All this time spent on the bully pulpit ends in an anticlimactic speech stating “I just want you to know I really liked you” and “I never called for your head sir”.
    Please tell me these “watchdogs” are’nt just puppies with a loud bark. Now the heat is on the A&B board to be just as forthcoming with documents as they have requested from city officials. I wonder if compliance will be a hard pill to swallow. We all already know politicians are hypocrites lets see if the dogs can truly be principled in their response.

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    • August 2, 2014 at 7:05 pm
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      Gabe, I guess you mistyped. I do not understand “managers arly release a number of “watchdogs”,,,
      I think there was only one “watchdog” if we should call him that, who went to the microphone to state in so many words what you just portrayed. I don’t know if he was worried about Greg coming after him, or just wanted to set the record straight. I think Mark has always been respectful and proper in his voicing of complaints and negative findings to the Mayor and the city Manager.
      Mark had mentioned that he liked Greg ever since he met him at a dinner they attended. The mayor who is really wise in these matters joked “you had dinner with the city manager”?. Mark replied yes, at a citizen’s home. Perhaps Mark did not want to name the citizen, but I do not mind. When Greg first came to city hall, I arranged a catered olive Garden dinner at my home for Greg, Ted, Mark, Newton and Pat. It was meant to be a social meeting for all of us to get to know each other and Greg. I had invited some of my readers to attend, but none of them cared to. It so happens that we had what I think was a nice dinner and cordial discussion on the Friday that Greg had just told the supervisor responsible for the vacation time fiasco that said supervisor should resign. Greg did not tell us that he that day had to tell a supervisor to resign. I too liked Greg and have always thought he was a good man, but was not a “trouble shooter” to quickly get reform in city operations.
      For the record, I was once accused of favoring fire union activities because they gave me free breakfasts. LOL, that never happened, but for the record, I have met with Ken Parker when he returned from his trip to the middle east after he left city government and we had lunch in my home, and a two hour one on one dialogue in which I had imposed my own restrictions of not publicly reporting our conversations. I was trying to be like Skip O’Neil who use to meet member of the opposing political party under similar conditions.
      The same group, who had met in my home with Greg, also met in my home with Don Burnette, but minus Ted who had some moving company business to attend to.
      I perhaps should have more such social meetings but I think the city council is at present much too busy formally conducting their council duties.
      I have a spare unit right next door to mine, which is small, but unoccupied and nicely furnished so that we can all be comfortable and not bothered by my dogs or any of the public intruding upon us.

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    • August 2, 2014 at 7:53 pm
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      Well said Gabe. You better keep your own closet squeaky clean prior to digging around in someone else’s .

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        • August 2, 2014 at 8:32 pm
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          No, meant that his point was right on.
          That those who want to lead the charge, better not have issues.
          ie: Ted and the Sunshine Law issues.

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          • August 2, 2014 at 8:44 pm
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            but I thought his comment was to Gabe. We have heard about possible issues with Ted. But concerned citizen replied to Gabe, not Ted. I think I know all about Ted’s issues, but something was insinuated by Concerned citizen about Gabe. Are you trying to convince me that Gabe was talking about all citizens who want reform in port orange city government. I would like to know more about Gabe’s issues that might be in a closet as well as others who want reform. I don’t mind speculations and suspicions, if they are least founded in some facts which lead to them. Am I to think that all citizens who want reform have skeletons in their closets or an agenda other than true reform to save taxpayer’s money and grief? Tell me where I am not with it?

    • August 5, 2014 at 2:50 pm
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      Watching Mark Schaefer grovel before Greg Kisela was truly nausiousating.

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  • August 2, 2014 at 5:29 pm
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    I noticed that Mr. Kisela’s dated and time stamped his letter at 1 minute after 5:00pm on Friday.
    Is he trying to convince us that he composed and typed and then proof read that letter in less than 1 minute?
    Give us a freaking break Greg

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  • August 2, 2014 at 9:35 pm
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    Dear Gabe and Hank,
    Thanks for your thoughts, but please review my initial post FOR CONTENT. (By content I mean the black parts of the post, not the white parts in between.) In no way did I suggest that Ted, or any other volunteer Board member, is not subject to Freedom of Information and Sunshine laws.
    What I did say, and I firmly believe it to be so, is that simply because Kisela can “request he produce his computers and cell phones so a forensic IT specialist can examine these devices to see if the public records can be retrieved” does not mean he or any other person or government agency has a right to see those devices. A Public Records request has been made. If Ted says he has no relevant records on his personal electronics, and you don’t believe him, then you must get a search warrant or subpoena before you can legally search/seize his personal property. I would love to watch the resulting circus if the City Council voted to remove him from the Audit and Budget Advisory Board on such a basis.
    That’s basically the CONTENT of my first post–the rest is opinion. It is my OPINION that this parting shot from Mr Kisela is a cheap shot and any judge would reject his request as laughable. I am, however, “frequently wrong but never uncertain.” (Can’t remember who said that originally.) It’s just great seeing everyone interested in what’s going on…………………………..
    Mike Gardner
    618 Ruth St
    Port Orange, FL 32127
    386-527-1959
    manddgardner@cfl.rr.com

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    • August 2, 2014 at 11:04 pm
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      Mike, thanks for your information and suggestion to review your original comment. I am losing track of all the threads and may be a little confused. Any way, let me ask you to enlighten me as to exactly what Kisela is asking for. Is he trying to find e mails sent by Ted to another citizen board member, which would then prove violation of the sunshine law? Is this the issue? — hank

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      • August 3, 2014 at 2:50 pm
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        Hank–
        I believe that may very well be the issue and if Ted was communicating with another Board member ABOUT CITY BUSINESS and he actually set up a dialog with that Board member rather than a simple one-way communication (FYI type stuff) then he may have violated Sunshine Law. I’ve read the City’s ordinance regarding Public Records preservation several times and have to conclude that the person who sends an email or phone text from their personal machine is responsible for making the call on whether it is public or private. If another person making a Public Records request has reason and evidence to believe otherwise then it seems up to them to take the matter further. And Hank, if anyone shows up at my door and demands my personal computer or cell phone WITHOUT a search warrant or subpoena I will treat them as I would any robber.
        A while back Kisela said that Ted had sent an email to members of the Council (readily available to the public) but had blind carbon copied other individuals. Kisela wanted Ted to produce the list of people that Ted had sent blind copies to, contending that their names were a matter of public record. I don’t know where that would go legally but it all seemed pretty small and churlish on Greg’s part at the time (my OPINION only).
        Hope you are now as confused as I am.
        Mike

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        • August 3, 2014 at 3:49 pm
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          Mike I think you might be confusing some of the rules for city council with the rules for other city officials. If you are a city official (reference some of the law passages I posted above and you will see Ted qualifies) all communication having to do with city business is public record. Now there are questions as to use of a private ceel phone or computer and I believe that when you commingle personal and public business on a personal device the public can ask to see the contents of the device. It sounds intrusive but I bet if you speak to a councilman they will tell you they have a “City Phone” and a “personal phone” so as to not have to deal with sorting it all out should the question arise.
          The other rules I speak of are the council rules. They are not allowed to communicate amongst themselves unless it is a public forum or a scheduled shade meeting. If two members meet for lunch as friends I dont think its illegal but the perception may be they are discussing city business so its best to avoid meeting outside city hall as best they can, of course they routinely come together at events and meetings and training they should not be discussing city issues amonst themselves. As for Ted he can meet with anyone in the city at any time and he can send personal emails and text messages but if he uses a personal device he is risking waiving his right to privacy on that device.
          The other point Id like to make is that you are a private citizen and can freely communicate with public officials. Your personal devices are not subject to Sunshine Laws because you are not a city official. Now any message you send to an official is public record on their device and you should not reasonably asssume its private. On that note Id assume anything you send over the internet or through electronic means could end up published somewhere just because this is the internet. And the NSA is always listening.

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  • August 3, 2014 at 5:48 pm
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    Thank you Gabe and Mike for shedding some light on this issue. So I take it, if the city ITT administrator hacked into Ted’s computer like the CIA hacked into Congress? Senators? computers, then all is well in politics? Does the City ITT have those capabilities? — just kidding guys, lol – I think the city ITT is not yet capable of implementing even the easiest of hardware and software tools.

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    • August 4, 2014 at 6:00 pm
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      What does ITT stand for?

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