” It is advantageous for the powerful to demand civility while they screw you.”
It’s all about me and the City of Port Orange!
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Consider the following:
This did not happen to me, but I use it as an example of where this nation might be going towards a declining of accountability.
I frequent a favorite restaurant for good food. On two occasions I see some guys run out of the business without paying their tabs and the manager yells at them. When I see it happen the third time, as I pay by food bill, I ask the manager what is happening with these guys running out of the store and not paying. He tells me they work on nearby big construction jobs and he is afraid of them. He tells me he does not go to the police because he thinks those guy would burn his business down. I tell him they look to me like undocumented illegal aliens, and he tells me he is afraid of bodily harm from them so he serves them knowing that they will probably run out of the store without paying.
I do not stop going to my favorite restaurant but I am really pissed off that these guys are getting away with this. It is unsettling. Then one day I find that the meal prices are raised about 5 percent. I ask the manager about his raise in the meal prices. He tells me, “Well you know Hank those construction workers are ripping me off, and I have to still make a profit or why even be in business”.
So there we are at my dilemma. Continue eating in my favorite restaurant and in effect help pay for the meals of the illegal aliens, or stop eating in my favorite restaurant and patronize a less desirable restaurant?
It has not been admitted yet by Port Orange Officials, but the millions of dollars lost by the city because of errors of malfeasance will someday have to be repaid by the tax payers. The cost of recouping unnecessarily lost financial revenue by the city will be hidden in categories such as new equipment, new contracts with vendors, and raises for city workers. If the city of Port Orange was a private enterprise, we would stop doing business as tax payers (investors?) with the City, but that is not one of our options. One option is to complain but like Sonya Laney said recently at a city council meeting, that she had made complaints back around Dec. 2013, and no one on the city council did anything about it. More and more it seems like to conduct business with this Port Orange City Government, one needs to get abrasive, crude, rude, vent emotions to get them to notice you. Threatening them with bodily harm or destroying city hall is not a practical strategy because most of us have family and financial interests to safeguard, and if the law were applied to us, we would not be treated as illegal aliens are in this nation. More and more we are seeing fairness misapplied by financial interests. In the city of Port Orange, the financial special interests lobbying groups are calling for the activists who want reform and accountability put into effect to be silent or silence. The first step to shut up the citizens is the procedure to have a hearing on Ted Noftall’s abusiveness.
So, what does it mean for me personally? Should I continue to make the effort to separate my garbage into recyclables when some on my street do not? The Public Work Director some years ago who had to resign because he was found to be stealing items out of our city yard stated once to the city council that the garbage company which collects our recyclables make very little money on those items. Should I believe that when nevertheless making little money on recyclables allows the garbage company to return 10 percent of recyclable money earned to the city to run its July 4th fireworks event? Why should we believe our vendors who deal with the city of Port Orange or believe the city itself. There is a national problem of deceiving the citizens by those in government, and now when there are indications of the same in Port Orange, the financial special interests want the citizens to keep quiet about such things.
So what principles of mine am I deliberating about?
My desire to honestly communicate? What difference does it make as some of our national and local leaders have said? Do you get more accomplished by spinning the facts , exaggerating and not being truthful?
My desire to keep on issue and not let side issues take over the dialogue? Some years ago in my private e mail to all city council members that the city council meetings were not providing transparency was resented by Green and Steindoerfer and it had no effect other than resentment. What difference did it make when I warned the city council that the national mood for transparency would come to Port Orange. It did, and guess what, they really didn’t notice it until the mood got emotional, abrasive, insulting and despairing.
I faulted the best seller book of the 50’s by Dale Carnegie “how to make friends and influence people”. Basically the book advocated not telling your boss or a friend when he was wrong, because the frankness most probably would not be accepted and you lose your influence in your opinions. I have always faulted that book which America gladly accepted and followed the books thesis. I had considered it a crime against humanity to not try and correct errors wherever they may be found. But in truth it was a theme for success to gain friends, power, promotions and influence people.
Looking at the results of people who have had principles like mine, it appears that we, they, are losers in the game of improving society. We are losers who do not resort to the tactics of those who do not want to be accountable or own up to their wrong doings.
Maybe I made my personal principles something of a faith, without a rational foundation. Maybe my principles fitted me because in personal contacts I am not a charmer, do not have charisma, and do not feel that I can be a good con artist and politician. Then again, I remember when Joan and I attended a weekend mystery live performance when we were the actors while in a big boarding home in South Hampton, that at the end when we had a critic of the weekend ,the guy who played James Bond (me hank springer) really did a good job of explaining his role as a person who had international intrigue as one who worked in selling and buying Jewelry, that many of the participants felt I was too well prepared with cover stories, and that James Bond (me) was really the killer in the party. (I was not)
Maybe if I change my attitude and principles I can make some improvement in our social problems. But if I have to resort to kissing asses, exaggerating, covering up, granting favors to despicable people, lying, never disagreeing with anyone, could I do it, and would I want to do it? And for what? Is most of society miserable and hypocrites? Was it a Jesuit education which told me “what does it matter if you gain the whole world but suffer the loss of your soul”? My soul to me I think was my personal understanding of myself, which included personal integrity. What a self-defeating hero role to adapt since no one believes there can be people like that anymore. I don’t even believe it any more except for fools like me.
I do not know if you know Phil Farragio, I think that is his name. Phil was an activist in Port Orange who championed national causes which proclaimed that the federal government was screwing the people. He was a man of his principles. He spoke to the city council two or three when Phil and his son started and ice cream parlor business in the shopping center built by LaCour on Herbert and Clyde Morris Blvd. The city was not allowing him to put stand up signs on the sidewalk outside his store and wouldn’t let him put up neon sign over business. But the Mexican food business facing Clyde Morris had a large neon sign above its store and the reply from the city council was one I did not understand. The reply was something which sounded from the city that the developer LaCour was allowed to make such an arrangement for that Mexican fast food restaurant to have such a neon lite sign. If someone can correct me in this matter please do. Any way back to my point. I remember in my conversation with Phil Farrugio that I came to a revelation about myself and Phil and I found myself telling Phil that he and I were losers because we stood on principles. Phil asked me why we do that, and I said I think it is because we are comfortable living that way, but we are not appreciated by most people in society.
I have never forgotten what a revelation it was to me to have voiced such an opinion, and now years later, when I see what is happening all over the world, nationally and in Port Orange city politics, I have doubt that what I have stood for was only catering to my own personal image of what it meant to be a good person, and in the long run, what the hell damn difference does it make.
Most of the people who want me to remain an ok guy with principles are those in power and influence. I realize that and accepted it in the past. With a new outlook on our society and myself I am not sure where I go from here. It has come to this for me, at the age of 77 yrs. But I tell you this, I am not ashamed that it is all about me. You live your life, and tune me out if you want. No matter what my principles may change to, if I want you to really hear me, I will approach you in a new revised “I am mad as hell and don’t give a damn any more what you think about me.”
Civility is lost and somehow I think that is good for society. It is advantageous for the powerful to demand civility while they screw you.
Sincerely hank springer
Hank your comments brought tears to my eyes. Civility is indeed dead and so is honesty and honor in business and especially in politics.It saddens me greatly. I too am 77 and have always tried to live a life of being fair and objective. My mother taught me that, to be tolerant, look at all sides of an issue and to be kind to one another.
I’ve come to realize that it just doesn’t work that way anymore you just get stepped on.I’m guilty of having blogged some mean stuff that I never thought myself capable of but this entire situation within our wonderful city has made me very, very angry. It shouldn’t have gotten this far and I put the blame squarely on our City Council and especially the Mayor.
I agree.
I agree with you, but we come from a generation of ignorance as do previous generations in Port Orange. In fact the whole world was living in ignorance and only pieces of news was presented to us that those in charge wanted to present to us. “You don’t know all the facts” as a lot of implication when an elected official counters a complaint from a citizen.
We are aware now of our problems because of the internet. There was an Arab spring and most of Port Orange would not have known of Ted Noftall if the two Port Orange blogs were not broadcasting the opinions of Ted Noftall and his supporters.
The city council except for Bob Ford has not been doing right by letting financial special interests fight it out with citizen dissenters. Drew Bastian might be coming out of his shell and I welcome that. When Stitlner comes on to the board we will have a 3 to 2 tip of the voting council watching out for the citizens. Finally!
I have had discussions with good friends, not bloggers or activists, about what to do about anonymous comments and the venting of some hateful emotions in words. These non blogging people tell me that anonymous comments have good reason in these days of fearing our own government to not post their names, and if the opinions voiced are rude, discourteous, and abrasive then that is news, as to how people are responding to a situation which the city council tried to ignore. They seem now not to be able to ignore the situation any longer. The attempt to silence Ted was a big mistake. The censure of Ted, or the implication that Ted should not be abusive in his rhetoric, fails to address the bigger issues, and I think there are more people other than I who think that all is not fair in politics. l at first thought that it would be wise for Ted to just step down and in the freedom of a citizen, watch and criticize the city government. But as I see this issue exploding, more and more I think it is good for the city of Port Orange to let explode the stink bomb and clear the air.
What changed my opinion about Ted stepping down as chairman was the response by special financial interest groups and people in Port Orange. We have been connecting the dots, and the dots reveal an interesting picture of special financial interests in Port Orange. In another comment by me I wrote about the former Port Orange Historical Trust where the president had been indicted for a shake down of the owner of the carnival. Now the Port Orange Historical Trust has a new name, Port Orange Family Days and has a president named John Evans, who is a charming, articulate, good speaker and story teller. He is as far a I know, not a crook, not doing anything illegal, maybe a man of integrity, but lo and behold, he is the owner of the riverboat dinner boat planned to be docked in Riverwalk Park on property owned by a developer, Buddy LaCour. Port Orange has been very good to the “we are family crowd” and now in the wake of all those financial interests being accommodated and befriended by Port Orange government (a former mayor Mayor Martin stated that we have to be fair to developers) it is now time in the wake of disclosures of the loss of million of dollars by city government to start being fair to the tax payers, and accommodate its well deserved anger.
The city council as a whole has not responded to the real angry concerns of a group of citizens, and instead as caved in to the demands of the financial special interests who are probably afraid that citizens are getting too close to the cozy relationships between port orange city government via the city council, with YMCA, Art House, chamber of commerce, developers, bank loan officials, real estate agents, Family Days, and tell me who I am missing. This relationship between big money and governments is not unique to Port Orange. One of the dots which facilitates favoring financial special interests in Port Orange is a long time mayor and city councilman, a construction mayor. There is nothing illegal about it per se, any more than it is illegal for AT&T to finance a political candidate’s election campaign. But declaring that all legal by the Supreme Court does not invalidate some of the dots that show up behind financial transactions. Tell me what the reader of this comment would like to know from me? The national dots of suspicion and skepticism, or the local city dots of suspicion and skepticism. Let me be clear, the favorite response to me is that negative suspicions should not be allowed in Port Orange. If so, perhaps that is why millions of tax payers dollars have been lost.
And by golly, it is really that hard and complicated to put in meaningful controls and accountability into city government? Really? Who or what is preventing it? How many city managers will this present mayor have to go through to get a city manager who can resolve the city’s problems.
Oh, I forgot, Silence Ted and things will get back to being the blissful days of ignorance which the former mayor Judith Anderson and councilman Denis Kennedy want to return to.
Ted gave the Mayor, Don and Dennis ammunition to use when Ted was at times abrasive and all the rest. At first, I thought this was not good but when I realized how it was a catalyst to not try and intimidate caustic remarks from complainers about city hall, I came to the conclusion that all in all this forum which will be held as a hearing, or a trial of Ted Noftall, may come close to the real issue.
Which is more important? Being civil with the city manager and Mayor, or the lack of in house control, accountability, and proper procedures to catch mistakes. Which is more important? Millions of dollars lost in the blissful days of ignorance, or the prohibition to advise complainers not to get uncivil in their not justified anger. That is the message I am receiving from the Mayor, Don Burnette Dennis Kennedy and all the financial special interest groups.
Yes, it is something to cry about. What a shame that our elite cannot be humbled to accept the shame they rightfully deserve. Shame on the influential in this city who do not want to admit that something is terribly wrong with the city they prospered in.
correction please. Mary Martin had been vice president of Port Orange when she said at a city council meeting that “We have to be fair to developers.” For one reelection campaign when I checked who was financing her campaign I found at least one, maybe more real estate businesses. This of course is legal so says the supreme court, and does not imply anything unethical. nevertheless, people can connect dots which lead to suspicion or skepticism. Some seem to want to out law such attitudes but it is like trying to outlaw asking questions.
Said it before, will say it again: the common denominator is the long tenured Mayor.
http://buckheadview.com/2013/02/17/city-council-considering-legislation-to-silence-citizens-comments-on-legislation-before-city-government/
http://www.usmortgagenow.com/
http://visulate.com/rental/visulate_search.php?CORP_ID=612399
Can a construction company be ran on agriculture tax exempt property??
It depends who is making the rules up and when it is personally advantageous to apply them.
Corey go back to be he Golden Corral already.
Anonymous you are a mean spirited jerk. It just so happens it was not Corey blogging. Leave the poor guy alone. He’s had enough trouble this year. Are you a Jacksonville Jaguars fan???
Wish Mr Berman well going down the road but, thankfully he has withdrawn from the political scene. He was an embarrassment of the highest level.
The way things are going lately Corey may well have won the seat over Burnett. You may not like he guy but at least he is on the citizens side not looking out for what he may get up the road.
Hank you are a good man who has tried to temper anger and bitterness on this blog and promote reason and dialogue. These people have no desire for reason and dialogue. This is war. It is an old failed paradigm that is trying to kill the birth of the new paradigm. Its like the old evil king trying to kill the baby that is the rightful heir to the throne. In this case it is the old decrepit materialistic southern plantation owner against the people who are the residence of this bedroom community which is their home, Port Orange. It is no longer his and his crony’s plantation. True warriors love final peace, but they are willing to execute judgment with no iota of weakness. There is no compassion without repentance. Compassion without repentance is weakness. This is not the time to back off and be politically correct and personally civil. These people are scheming all the time just like they have done with Ted Noftall. Lets do what we have to do with integrity and justice, but lets kick ass and clean house unapologetically..