Ted's Credibility Now in Question
[Editors note:]
And Brings His Heretofore Push for Transparency and Open Governance Also Into Question …..
Ted may have been faking it for years ….
Ted, if true, would you still take the position you just stated if per se, Warren Pike regularly dropped city employees off at his home to perform work while on the clock at taxpayer expense? Would you support him dispatching crews to the mayor’s Jackson street property to perform complimentary work at the taxpayers expense. Would you support him giving away free tires and other items to select subordinates to garner popularity and good will? How about utilizing the public works facility on weekends for endeavors other than city business? Does it surprise you that the consulting engineering firm and many of the contractors that you decry as questionable are so warm and fuzzy with him that they are willing to stake their reputation in his support? Would you feel the same way if you found out that he had real estate and business interests that go way back with Allen Green? Are you willing to risk any hard earned credibility gains you may have realized in the past couple of years by totally contradicting yourself and show your entire agenda to be a vendetta against Ken Parker and Allen Green as opposed to open and transparent government?
Your support of Warren Pike today brings your objectives relevant to transparency and open governance into question as their are many that would say that as affable as Mr. Pike may have been, he was very much imbedded in the Green/Parker regime for decades. Those who know the whole story understand his fall from grace. If anything, if Pike were willing to come clean and spill all the beans about Parker and Green his intrinsic value and worth might honestly be recognized and his tarnished reputation mitigated. On the other hand Ted, we know what precarious game Warren was playing, the question that all the tea party activists that purport transparency and open governance should ask is what game you are playing now?
submited by: Hermes Trismigistus
I called it first ! I sensed the initial silence of Ted, the Gardners and other normally vocal activists indicated that they actually support Warren Pike and this building momentum.
In my book, Ted can be place in the same category as Bob Pohlman. Bad move Ted.
His stance goes against everything he has previously stood for all along. This entire Pike campaign swing is beyond belief.
Ted, do you feel strong enough to send Mr Harden a letter of reference for Warren ? Should Roger Smith be allowed to come back too ?
from Hank: I must be out of the loop. What is this all about? Send me the original start of this issue and I will post it on my web site. send to poimages@outlook.com
Oh Noooo Ted’s post in support of Warren was deleted by Pat Nelen.
Maybe that is why you are behind on this ?
I know a LOT of dirt but would sure like to read this.
You know a lot of dirt but not ALL of it, just wait.
Roger’s alleged offence pales in comparison to why Pike was dismissed. There is an administrative policy that states that Roger had justification to do what he did with the city manager’s approval. Most people believe Parker was well aware of everything but unwilling to risk his own pension by telling the truth. His contradictory testimony after the fact said it all. I guess if we follow Bob Pohlmann and Ted Noftall’s recommendation then we should give anyyone and everyone clemency including Roger Smith, John Shelley, Betty Barnhart, Rob Pouste, John Diamond, Tom Cinefro, Jim Miller, Rob Zicker, etc. There are many arguments that can be made that Roger Smith did some fine work during his tenure and that things in public utilities have taken a downturn since he was compelled to resign. I guess if we hire them all back then we can have two of everything in these positions.
Mr and Mrs Gardner, Newton White ?
What is your stance on this ? You have been suspiciously quiet.
Steve actually makes a good point for a change. “Hermes Trismigistus”, really? Your linguistic style gives you away.
Stop assuming you know who wrote that blog Freda. Maybe it was me.
My right to guess or did I check those rights at the door.
Friendly Freda are you blogging on city time again? Someone should check your city computer and see what we are paying for.
No problem. Check any city computer you want to.
I liked Ted Noftall. His pit bull approach at Council Meetings were helpful in bringing forth a lot of problems to the forefront. That is why I am so shocked at this latest revelation that he is supporting the rehiring of Warren Pike. If Pat Nelan wouldn’t print Ted’s blog that tells you something.
Ted has never had the inside scoop on what went on within the city. He is relativity a “new comer” wherein most of these bloggers have been personally privy to all the information coming forth about the wrongdoings which have gone on for years and years.
Warren’s close personal association with Green and Parker is common knowledge by many.
Ted time for you to take a step back unless you really know what you are talking about. Right now you have egg all over your face.
Ted had mentioned his support for Warren in the past on this same blog. He calls Warren’s “mistake” as having $1,000 worth of old tires at his house or the like.
Two faced TED is his new name.
Maybe Warren did some special work for Ted and Bob P at their business’s or houses.
I doubt it. Warren was Mayor Green’s special at “no cost” workforce. The only ones who paid were Port Orange taxpayers.
Yes Mazie, now the integrity of this blog is in question as well.
The eggs are covering TED and Bob Pohlman. No damage control in the world will rectify it.
Why did the blog take down Ted’s input? This blog is about stirring up trouble, not finding real solutions that make the community better.
All I can say to Ted Noftall and Bob Pohlmann is the old saying,”Oh what tangled webs we weave when at first we do decieve”.
Taxpayers do not need any more pick-pockets either newly/previously hired or elected. We’ll get hit with creative special assessments to payback what their stealing! DOUBLE, TRIPLE TAXATION….WAKEUP PORT ORANGE TAXPAYERS!!!!!!!
Go right ahead and rehire Warren Pike. Then the City of Port Orange will be embroiled for years in lawsuits from Tom Cinefreo, Betty Barnhart, Roger Smith and the other scapegoats who get the shaft along the way.
Wait a minute, was that Ted Crist or Charly Noftall, was that Bob Crist or Charly Pohlmann, or maybe it was Ted Pohlmann or perhaps Bob Noftall.
Pat Nelan and Hank Springer, it would be in your best interests to issue a statement and come clean on this entire deal. You know “transparency ?
Why was Ted Noftall’s post of support for Warren Pike deleted ?
Is it because it exposes Ted as a fraud ? Is it because it completely goes against the grain of what he preaches ? Is there indeed censorship in this blog ? As you can clearly see, this is a hot button topic and has ruffled some feathers.
please see http://www.popdradiolog.com/port-orange-city-council-2/we-should-not-rehire-warren-pike-hank/
http://www.popdradiolog.com/port-orange-city-council-2/we-should-not-rehire-warren-pike-hank/ at http://www.popdradiolog.com from hank
Hey guys – how’s things going in Port Orange these days ?
All is well in Destin – just a minor blip from the YMCA issue, nothing big.
Where can I mail my letter of reference for Warren Pike ? I never even knew the guy but you folks deserve him back.
I don’t think you can really call Ted Noftall a fraud. What you can call him is someone with a huge ego who thinks himself very intelligent, knowledgeable and civic minded. Unfortunately that is what HE THINKS HE IS. In actuality he is a grand stander who doesn’t really now the facts he just thinks he does. If he really knew the truth he would probably shrivel up and float away.
Ted, Hank and Pat are now doing “damage control ” and conferring as to how to handle this situation.
We’ll get back with ya’ blog readers is the current reply
Thank you Pat.
But that is weird of Ted Noftall. Is this all a Haloween joke or prank? I thought it was when Bob Pohlmann started this issue. — hank
to concerned citizen: you are wrong about me being in some kind of conspiracy loop with noftall and Pat. But that is ok with me. Question everything. Right now I am questioning if that e mail we are concerned about really came from Ted.
If Ted denies sending it, what the hell do we do then? — hank
It did come from Ted.
I disagree with Ted on this issue, if that e mail really came from Ted, but I don’t agree with your generalization of Ted. Grand standing is ok by me, if the facts seem true and with Ted most of the time they are. I wish I knew how to grand stand.
If I were the deciding vote Concerned Citizen I would rehire Warren for several reasons none of which include being starry-eyed.
1) Parker was no saint and his report condemning Warren was self serving in that it attempted to bury system wide internal control failures Parker had ignored for years.
2) Warren’s failures pale by comparison with those of others who were never dealt with appropriately including Parker himself.
3) Port Orange is unlikely to find anyone better qualified to run Public Works than Warren.
4) Warren could be re-hired for a lot less that the $120,000 we are paying our department director experts and thus begin the start of ending that insanity.
5) None of us including Warren are the same persons we were 3 years ago, AND with appropriate safeguards that should be in place system wide anyway Warren would do Port Orange a fine job.
You were right-nauseating!
mr thanks Pat. I disagree, it was not nauseating but an opinion I disagree with. nauseating in my mind could be reason not to publish, but even something nauseating might be considered news worthy. I think it was a poor decision by Pat not to publish Ted’s comments. I have made decisions in editorial policy on my web site which have been criticized by others. It comes with the job of being an editor. For instance, it would have been possible for me to publish the salaries of fire fighters without posting the names of the firefighters. I had published the names and upon criticism found that in order to keep honest comments being offered, it had not been necessary to publish the names of the firefighters. We all can learn, if only we are willing to learn and change our previous stance. It goes without saying, and of course is stupid to remind everyone that I can and will make mistakes. But I am commited to admit my mistakes (and I have had many, which goes without saying) , correct my mistakes, and take pains to not let them happen again. Isn’t that what we want from most people? Am I mistaken about Green and Noftall? Tell me your specifics. I trully am interested. If I cannot rebut them, then I have probably been mistaken. Let’s keep the dialogue going. It is the only way to learn and come closer to that fleeting goal of “truth”. — hank
Ted needs to be evaluated for a potential Baker Act regarding those statements ?
Was he hacked ?
Who knows he might have too many cold tappers and shooters during a happy hour at Pike’s bar and package store.
Thank you Pat.
But that is weird of Ted Noftall. Is this all a Haloween joke or prank? I thought it was when Bob Pohlmann started this issue. — hank
So Ted what I see is that stealing a little is not as bad as stealing a lot! Giving your son keys to a city yard is fine and allowing him to take materials is fine.
Hey Ted can I have the keys to your warehouse and take some DOD stuff?
Apparently Warren Pike called Noftall last night and made him an offer he couldn’t refuse
I would rather we take up a Warren Pike fund, collect donations and pay him off to tell all he knows. Wouldn’t that be interesting ?
Let’s pay warren off and see what he has to say about Bib Ford as well! See what you all tend to forget is that Warren was around when Ford was Chief and as much as you want to crucify Parker and Greene you might not like hearing what Warren knows about Your Favorite councilman Bob Ford. See the big question is are you wanting info on Greene and Parker or are you willing to take it all and go after everyone? This site would delete anything that is said about Ford and highlight everything else!
Transparency goes both ways and as we have seen from the deleted Ted post it only goes for when it’s not your own people.
to mr. good idea. has this web site deleted anything bad said about ford, or are you speculating that it would. I am interested. — hank springer
I have often questioned a variety of posts that have been edited from this blog. Understandably if they are excessively vulgar, involve course jesting, or are slanderous, then the web master understandably has the responsibility of censoring them. I have noticed things not being posted that do not meet that criteria but with strong opinions or information that might have a negative impact on the realization of a certain political vision. Perhaps their omission has been innocent and can be attributed to a problem with the website software. This omission of Ted’s post however, seems to indicate their is discretionary censorship that may occur on this blog that is related to the preservation and orchestration of the webmasters personal beliefs and opinions. I would like to be mistaken on this observation and am open to being persuaded differently if the evidence speaks for itself.
Hank,
I did not write correctly and I apologize what I meant to say was would this site delete anything that showed Bob Ford in a Poor light and not the outstanding human being that people believe him to be.
The fact that Ted’s post was deleted shows that there is some sort of process for reviewing the information, and I am all for not allowing post that are vulgar but the answer that he shared casted some doubt on his true reason for doing what he does, and that cast doubt on this website. What makes this all the more interesting is that we have waited 2-3 days and still no response from Ted. Unless I am missing it somewhere he has decided to stay quiet and that is very unlike him.
annon I don’t know what you are getting at, but could it be that Pike is willing to be planted as a mole for Ted back into city administration? This is worthy of a spy intrigue fiction novel. — hank
Cannibals! It seems when you all disagree with your own kind you eat them.
onlooker 2 I don’t think you should confuse us with the liberal democrats. do you know the story of Christopher Hitchens snitching on Clinton’s lawyer during the monica issue? In any case, I don’t think we completely devour ourselves in disagreeing, but perhaps do take little bites. Ted has had worse, so have I, and I do not know about Pat.
what you think is cannibalism I might look upon as integrity. But I could be wrong. — hank
One of our leaders has lost his way, here us what we do…how about we get his comments removed from this site and if that doesn’t work, let’s create a conspiracy that he didn’t write them? If that doesn’t gain traction, let’s eat em! Not sure how his avid supporters will end up buying his reason for making such a statement or his judgement on this issue. All joking aside Ted is entitled to his own opinion and frankly I like it when there are different views as opposed to the same old bandwagon where everyone seems to be blowing smoke up each other’s skirt. Maybe, Warren would still be there had he not made some very bad decisions.
hi voter. It would be a shame if all supporters of Ted Noftall feel the need to agree with Ted Noftall on everything. I wish Ted did not have that opinion about rehiring Warren, but why should one feel that one or two disagreements with Ted means that we have to forsake him? I did not agree with Ford denying financial aid to old timers in Port Orange who were in danger of losing their homes to foreclosure and had been living in them for 20 years or more. I heavily criticized Ford for that, but still support everything else he does. I am sure that all the supporters of Green and Laney don’t agree with everything about that pair, but nevertheless they show up to support Laney and fight Ford. Just like in religious groups, there are a lot of agnostics on specifics in the political world. Perhaps believing in all or nothing is what is wrong with this world. I saw a documentary where a scientist said that religions may change their principles, but science does not. But professed principles are easy to proclaim, but it is another thing to change the beliefs of details when new facts emerge. I am not to dismiss Noftall just because he wants to get Pike rehire, nor do I dismiss Green for only one or two of my disagreements. In my observations of Green, there are years of my disagreements with many specifics. I have only one with Ford but still stand by him. I had two with Noftall (diagreements) but one I changed my mind because of new developments, and this is my second and at this time my only displeasure with Noftall. Maybe others have more reasons to dismiss Noftall, and OK, do so,, but don’t expect me to follow suit at this time. I like Harden. I know very well that may change with me. And thus we live in an ever changing society with principles, opinions, judgments, facts, lies, honesty, integrity and statements. Any one who says people who want to keep taxes down are bad citizens, and does not clarify that statement, may very well be considered impeachable for not being a representative for the people. Calling one a name, or being frank in expressing opinions, or being honest in expressing opinions, is not a guiding standard in my judgment for general disapproval. But we all have our own standards, and these are mine. — hank springer
The Gardners came clean and showed they are true to their beliefs, Ted is MIA and laying low now, Newt White hasn’t taken a stand, Warren is out garnering more support in the form of ridiculous reference letters
And the N-J is getting ready to pounce on this latest fiasco.
Ted, we are waiting with baited breath to hear your explanation of your most recent revelations Perhaps you can get a spot on the next council agenda to elucidate with more specificity you recent position regarding Warren Pike’s reinstatement as the public works director which appears to be in contradistinction to all your previously revealed principals. I know you have become upset in the past when the mayor scrutinizes your three minute maximum on the citizen’s three minute open agenda.
I say we place you on the regular agenda and allow you the time to explain your most recent revelation in public. What do you say Ted? I think you would then have the time in public to explain why you think Warren Pike should be rehired, and as most people have interpreted how you feel that he is the savior of Port Orange administrative management.
To all the extremely verbal tea party activists that have endorsed, and purport to know Ted so well (AKA – (The Gardners), can you check on Ted and make sure he is in good health? I would hate to think Ted had health issues that prevented him to respond. We are all still giving him the benefit of the doubt and would not want to hear he was not able to respond for health reasons. I am asking the Gardeners to verify that Ted Noftall is OK. We are all waiting with baited breath for Ted Noftall’s response.
Nodule – Ted’s official comment is: “I’ll get back to you on that”
to Mr. Nodule. I would appreciate just a reply from Ted on this blog. No need to take up time with Noftall in city council, but if this thought of rehiring Pike gains momentum then perhaps the city council should discuss the rehiring of Pike, but certainly not the opinion of Ted Noftall. I myself would just accept from Noftall,
“I stand by my opinion of rehiring Pike”. I myself would accept from Green, “I misspoke when I said a person who wants to keep taxes down is a bad citizen.”
So many of these issues can easily be put to rest. I am amazed at how hard it seems to some to just clarify the statements that people are concerned about and stand on their latest statement to the public. I think I have seen where Green is concerned that elected officials may talk to much, speculate too much, and promise too much. I think he is implying “be close vested and don’t say what you think”. Such an attitude has brought the city of Port Orange to the tension we have now. It is false to imply that now that both sides of the issues are speaking out, that this communication is at the heart of our problems. The problem started in the non communication of honest opinions, and now there are some who reveal themselves to despise those who disagree with them. And therein lies with what is wrong with Port Orange. Port Orange motto shold be ” If you have nothing good to say, then keep your mouth shut! ” . — hank springer
Once again Ted’s most eloquent self rationalization and self justification has provided him with enough shame balm to come out of the closet. Imagine if he were mayor! He would become a law unto himself with situational logic enforced by his own rule. The thing to be learned here is that as much animosity that exists between them, Ted Noftall and Allen Green are very much alike.
to Mr. Knothole. Surely your opinion is based on your past observations of Ted Noftall and not just formed because he espouses rehiring Warren Pike? — hank
Yes! Maybe he read Wikipedia article on Warren Pike and became an overnight expert on him. Ted likes to quote quasi factoids out of context.
Silence does not mean I do not have a take on any given issue. My opinions may be portrayed as slanted because I have known Warren since high school. I have no social or business relationship with him but I do know how we were raised and the values we were taught back in the day. My view is unique to my perspective and observations over the years of interaction with the city. It would not be constructive to voice my thoughts.
Why is the blog moderator utilizing such censorship lately ?
I am still waiting for an apology or rationale as to why he removed Ted’s post in the first place ? That he found it nauseating doesn’t fly.
Ted Noftall has issued his strongly worded and vile response to all this in a letter to the City Manager.
He is incensed with the Gardners and others. Please post his response for all to view.
Ted’s a poor little lamb
who has lost his way,
Baa Baa Baa,
He’s a little black sheep
who has gone astray
Baa Baa Baa.
What I do not understand about Ted, is that he had a run there, for quite some time where he was all about firing anybody and everybody. I know he wanted the indiscriminate termination and pursuit of criminal charges against Roger Smith while being clueless about the real story behind that. He assumed a group of employees were criminally complicit and should suffer serious penalties which was the furthest thing from the truth. He assumes that Warren Pike was scapegoated and all that clearly transpired was blown out of proportions for spurious reasons while not entertaining the thought that Betty Barnhart may have been scapegoated herself. I am not sure if he realizes the special privileges and favoritism that Warren was the recipient of for years by the mayor and Ken Parker and his ability to skirt controls like the incident that he was suspended for in the past that was sighted on this web sight. Ted has shown a lapse of reasoning and critical thinking in this instance and has demonstrated how discriminating his consternation or favor runs relative to presuppositions that he has with limited knowledge and insight into the true facts. He seams to pronounce anathemas against some and declare the year of jubilee for others with the pomp befitting of a medieval king or emperor. . Ironically, the only other person that I know in the city that makes such hard and fast dogmatic pronouncements without all the facts, and feels as though he can do it with impunity is the mayor. All I can say is Allen Green and Ted Noftall are two peas in a pod!
Those two peas seemed to be warming up to each other at lasts night’s council meeting. Could it be that they have found mutual ground and are colluding to usher in the return of the prodigal son? Is there a possibility that this may have something to do with CRA money and the industrial park in which Ted’s moving and storage business resides. Perhaps it has something to do with a moratorium on Ted’s blacklisting and expediency in bolstering his political career. This all seems like an irreconcilable dichotomy as opposed to a synthesis of ideas and view points. Ted’s explanation for his selective clemency does not cut it and was so brusque that it sounded like he would not dignify our shocked sensibilities with an detailed answer. This suspiciously leaves many people with questions that there may be an ulterior motive for Ted’s switch hitting that is far from personal enlightenment. So maybe Ted needs to elucidate on his most recent revelation with a better exegesis than he has given that will enlighten us all and quell all doubts that he may have skin in this one.
Here is a good letter to Mr. Harden that perhaps Ted can use to send for himself to the read file.
Dear Mr. Harden,
I am writing this letter in strong support of Warren Pike’s pursuit of being reinstated as the Public Works Director and urge you to give strong consideration to his return to service for the following reasons.
1. Warren is singlehandedly responsible for every positive accomplishment in Port Orange that was ever achieved.
2. He is so knowledgeable that he verges on omniscience
3. The impeccability of his character and selfless service exceeds that of Mother Teresa thereby qualifying him as a living Saint.
4. He is a champion Luchador much greater than Nacho Libre and wears the best stretchy pants of any Lucho Libre superstar.
5. He is the coolest dude at the Last Resort Bar and buys more rounds of coldies for his friends than an Irish drunk.
6. He is the most generous boss I have ever known and thinks inside the gate and outside the lock box in providing his entourage with various fringe benefits.
7. I have seen him jump buildings with a single bound after singlehandedly pulling a broken down midsy muck out of a drainage canal with his bare hands.
8. Since he left the city everything that was once perfect has gone to shit.
9. If you hire him back everything will be resolved. He will restore internal controls, take care of all the flooding issues, resolve all public utilities problems because we know he knows more about their department than they do, he will straighten out anything pertaining to mowing, and we will not even have to hire a permanent city manager or public utilities director because he can do all those jobs.
10. He will bring a new meaning to the word open and transparent governance that would even exceed the level achieved by the previous mayor of New Orleans
Forget about any viable candidates that have already applied and throw their applications in the trash. Just hire superman, I meant Warren Pike back and all the city’s problems will instantly dissolve away into Shambhala. Trust me, because I am a vicar for transparency and open governance and I truly champion this impeccable super hero.
Sincerely Yours,
Toad Nodule
Hey dude Toad, I liked that. Imaginative and interesting reading. — hank
There are so many accusations against other city employees and councilmen without proof of maliciousness evidence. In this case we have admitted evidence, so now what? If you support his rehiring, leave everyone else alone they have yet to be proven to be guilty of anything other than some bad decisions from time to time, but who doesn’t make them, right? Otherwise, it is a double standard to assualt one group not found guilty and then support a guilty one. One should just ask questions, but don’t make accusations without proof and if or when the proof is evident then challenge the persons motivate and take action, until then it’s just a blame game.
I said it before and I’ll say it again, LAWSUITS, LAWSUITS, LAWSUITS.
Holy Christ and creation you people are blind and very out of the loop on facts and truth. if only you knew the truth to Port Orange’s issues and problems you would hang your head in shame and move to another “slice of heaven”. You all are so quick to judge everyone and their brother for there mistakes and let one mistake define an individual. The real question and answer that needs to be looked into is yourselves! If I found out all your names hold on to your shorts boy’s and girl’s ill throw you to the wolves and tear you down to the core and see how you go and judge everyone else. If your soooo concerned about this city and the direction it goes get off your asses and run for council or even apply for the public works director position. In the mean time think long and hard about your definition of perfection and see if your really man enough to bad mouth everyone else.