Fraudulent Payroll Time Cards


hank4From: Hank Springer
To; David Harden

Thank you for the information.

From Hank Springer
386 852 3178

Subject: RE: Fraudulent payroll time cards
Date: Mon, 4 May 2015 14:26:03 +0000
Answer’s below in RED

hank4From: Henry Springer []
Sent: Saturday, April 11, 2015 2:20 PM
To: Harden, David
Cc: Green, Allen; Bob Ford; Rivera, Cynthia; Kennedy, Dennis; Burnette, Don; Drew Bastian; Hank Springer; Roberts, Margaret; Stiltner, Scott
Subject: Fraudulent payroll time cards
Good day Mr. Harden
Cc to Port Orange city council.
From Hank Springer
The following is an excerpt from a comment on regarding Fred Griffith
…The $ 33,000 they ‘ pegged ‘ him with stealing through fraudulent payroll time cards is what he was referring to when he said answering questions the last time cost him $ 27,000…
1. Was Mr.Griffith charged in any way of maintaining fraudulent payroll time cards? Since the Administrative Leave which had to be repaid was granted and approved by the department head, none of the employees who received it were charged with any wrongdoing.
2. Did Mr.Griffith somehow lose $27,000 because of the investigation about the fraudulent payroll time cards? Mr. Griffith was required to give back to the City approximately $27,000 worth of sick and vacation leave. He was treated the same as all other employees who had been given and used such leave.
Thank you. hank springer
From Hank Springer
386 852 3178


6 thoughts on “Fraudulent Payroll Time Cards

  • May 5, 2015 at 4:20 am

    Back when the whole payroll fraud mess came to light there was a lot of talk about a biometric (fingerprint recognition) timeclock system. What happened to that? There was also talk about salaried employees having to clock in and clock out. What happened to that? There was also a lot of talk about reclassifying some salaried workers back to hourly. What happened to that?
    This might be a good issue for Councilman Scott Stiltner to weigh in on. Remember Stiltner, the “responsibility and accountability” candidate of just a few months ago? Maybe Stiltner, the “go along to get along” councilman of today can politely raise his hand and ask the manager if he could look into it. When he has time. Maybe just ask what “staff recommends.” Maybe go back to sleep until another ribbon needs cutting.
    I did notice that the City has finally sent out a request for bids on a timeclock system for the police and fire departments but it appears to be a proximity system rather than biometric so I’m assuming your buddy can still clock you in and clock you out if he has your ID card.

    • May 5, 2015 at 11:46 am

      Mike,I think you,I and others are intruding on fringe benefits which today civil service workers consider to come with the job. They might very well reply that if they can’t have the fringe benefits which they have come to expect, they would have gone out and go in business as you Mike and Ted have. I come from civil service and know what I speak about. Has city civil service changed from the 1960s? I think it has and has gotten worse because accountability has just about been erased in civil service and considered as contributing to a hostile environment in the work place.

  • May 5, 2015 at 7:11 am

    The cost for that type of system would never get past you and Ted. You say you want things but you don’t want to pay for them?

  • May 5, 2015 at 8:11 am

    From: Ted Noftall []
    Sent: Tuesday, May 05, 2015 8:08 AM
    To: ‘Harden, David’
    Subject: Re: Fraudulent payroll time cards
    Manager Harden,
    Your exchange with Hank Springer below is troubling for several reasons.
    1) If Mr. Griffith did nothing wrong in the Administrative Leave scandal then on what basis was he ” required to give back to the City approximately $27,000 worth of sick and vacation leave ” and why should this City imposed ‘requirement’ be considered anything beyond extortion absent a determination of wrong doing on Mr. Griffith’s part ?
    2) What specific procedures has the City implemented since the Administrative Leave scandal such that the same payroll theft that occurred then ( with supervisors recording themselves and other exempt employees present and on the job when indeed they were not on the job ) would be detected today ??
    3) Does your administration have any intention of implementing the use of biometric time clocks as recommended by the now defunct Audit and Budget Advisory Board to deter if not prevent any such future payroll theft by exempt employees, which recommendation Council in typical Port Orange fashion shuffled off to a Classification & Compensation Study by Cody & Associates that was recently released absent any reference to the use of such time clocks by exempt employees.
    Thank you
    Ted Noftall
    for responsible government – 2016

    • May 5, 2015 at 9:46 am

      I wonder what the terms are of “give back” of $27,000 to the city. Is that money being deducted from Mr.Griffith’s pay check and at what rate? Will the $27,000 be paid back before Mr.Griffith retires? I wonder if someone other than the city manager, Director of Mr.Griffith’s department or the Finance Department can from time to time monitor and check the records to insure that pay back is proceeding according to the terms. I will send my comments to Mr.Harden. — hank springer 932 am 5 5 15

      • May 5, 2015 at 11:25 am

        Who checks that $27,000 is being paid back to city?
        Henry Springer
        11:12 AM
        To: David Harden, Green, Allen, Bob Ford, Cindy Rivera, Don Burnette, Drew Bastian, Margaret Roberts, Scott Stiltner
        Thank you Mr. Harden for the info. You of course no what my implications is. It is getting so that interested citizens,the city council, and the city manager should not be taking any one’s words for financial affairs in the city unless the hard document is produced within city records. Even then as I suspect was in the payroll scam, one must go a step further to make sure there is not a little red book which holds the true records which conflicts with departmental records. To alleviate the climate of mistrust in Port Orange City government, something more than policy reformation and procedures needs to be instituted.
        From Hank Springer
        386 852 3178
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        David Harden
        9:46 AM
        To: Henry Springer, Green, Allen, Ford, Bob, Rivera, Cynthia, Don Burnette, Drew Bastian, Roberts, Margaret, Stiltner, Scott
        The City was repaid in sick and annual leave which the employee either had in their bank or by a 50% reduction in their future leave accrual. In Mr. Griffith’s case the City received full repayment as of December 5, 2014
        posted 1115am 5 5 15


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