Does City Manager Refuse To Supply Taxpayers Any More Information on Dunlawton Project?

ted0From: Ted Noftall
To: ‘Harden, David’
Cc: Alan Hyman ; Albert Neumann ; Bill Carlie ; Bob Clift ; Cammie Dewey ; Hank Largin ; Meade, Ron ; Noranne Downs ; P. E. Tom Kelley ; Perry Jennings ; Phil Klema ; Vincent Vacchiano ; Bob Ford ; ; Drew Bastian ; Scott Stiltner ; Andrew Giannini ; Brad Blais
Sent: Tuesday, May 12, 2015 11:21 AM
Subject: FW: Giannini emails
Well Manager Harden does this means we are done getting any more information of the berm cover-up ?
You must know your response is not acceptable — not acceptable at all.
You are paid and paid well to manage this city, AND that includes managing the engineers who were paid and paid well to both design and administer the construction of this project.
In your efforts to mollify the Mayor you have allowed this matter to become a major embarrassment for the City. Your manifest refusal to ask real questions and insist on real answers gives the appearance that you and the Mayor are a bunch of crooks intent on covering up the original cover-up that un-lawfully deleted the berm from this project.
I copied QLH as a courtesy only. They do not work for me they work for you, and your invitation for them to ” respond as they see fit ” is an outrage.
Ted Noftall
for responsible government – 2016

—–Original Message—–
david_hardenFrom: Harden, David []
Sent: Tuesday, May 12, 2015 9:12 AM
To: Ted Noftall
Cc: Bob Ford;; Drew Bastian; Scott Stiltner; Alan Hyman; Albert Neumann; Bill Carlie; Bob Clift; Cammie Dewey; Hank Largin; Meade, Ron; Noranne Downs; P. E. Tom Kelley; Perry Jennings; Phil Klema; Vincent Vacchiano; Andrew Giannini; Brad Blais
Subject: RE: Giannini emails
I see that you have copied QLH on this e-mail, so they can respond as they see fit.

ted0From: Ted Noftall []
Sent: Monday, May 11, 2015 10:27 PM
To: ‘Harden, David’
Cc: Bob Ford (;; Drew Bastian (; Scott Stiltner (; Alan Hyman (; Albert Neumann (; Bill Carlie (; Bob Clift (; Cammie Dewey (; Hank Largin (; Meade, Ron; Noranne Downs (; P. E. Tom Kelley (; Perry Jennings (; Phil Klema (; Vincent Vacchiano (; Andrew Giannini (; Brad Blais (
Subject: FW: Giannini emails
Thank you Manager Harden.
I am feeling that what you are saying here is less than clear, and I want to be sure I am understanding you correctly. Accordingly
There appears to be only one ” engineering ” reason given in the Oct 15th 2014 letter from QLH you attached as in response to my question below, AND that reason was discounted by QLH themselves in the Nov 19th 2014 flood workshop when they testified that the permitted 2,000 foot berm north to the vicinity of Herbert Street was shortened to approximately 800 feet because at that point the berm was tying into naturally occurring higher elevations and continuing the bern further north was not required.
So I will ask again;
beyond the debunked reason contained in QLH’s Oct 15th 2014 letter has QLG ever presented the City with any other written correspondence or document indicating they no longer stand behind their berm design as permitted by SJRWMD for engineering reasons, AND if so would you please produce that document and those reasons ?
( Neither QLH nor the SJRWMD appear to raise any engineering concerns regarding possible up-stream flooding resulting from the berm’s construction in their respective letters of April 9th and April 16th which I have attached for your convenience. )
Your “sticker shock ” reference to obtain ” more precise modeling to measure the upstream impact on flood water elevations resulting from berm construction ” begs the question as to;
what specific modeling did QLH perform or rely on, to measure the upstream impact on flood water elevations resulting from berm construction, AND DID that modeling or reliance on the modeling of others constitute competent engineering ??
Manager Harden these questions may be of scant interest to you leaving as you are in just another few months but they are of great interest to those of us who are concerned with assurances that were given in Port Orange’s good name in accepting some $2.5 million of taxpayer money to ensure the pass ability of a Dunlawton Ave as a major emergency and evacuation route, AND which in turn would prevent residential flooding in the Powers / Ruth Street subdivision.
If you do not have these answers would you please re-direct my questions to the City’s design engineers for response.
Thank you
Ted Noftall
for responsible government – 2016

31 thoughts on “Does City Manager Refuse To Supply Taxpayers Any More Information on Dunlawton Project?

  • May 13, 2015 at 10:54 am

    Ted, I suspect that the invitation to QLH to respond as they see fit is the opening chess move to play the lawyers’ gambit strategy in this game. — hank

  • May 13, 2015 at 8:34 pm

    11 Sneaky Ways Companies Get Rid Of Older Workers
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    Three friends of mine have lost their jobs this year under the pretense of a reorganization or been told that their positions were being eliminated. All are extremely accomplished professionals in their 50s. Is this the latest way companies are getting rid of older workers?
    I asked Donna Ballman, a Florida employment lawyer and author of the book, Stand Up For Yourself Without Getting Fired: Resolve Workplace Crises Before You Quit, Get Axed or Sue the Bastards, to answer that question, and offer insights about some of the stealth ways companies are ditching older workers. Little did I imagine that she would come up with 11 scenarios. Check this list to see if any of them sound familiar. Then take the steps she recommends to protect yourself.
    Ballman’s blog is Screw You Guys, I’m Going Home and she tweets as @EmployeeAtty. Her past articles for FORBES include, “Ten Things Your Boss Doesn’t Want You To Know.”
    By Donna Ballman
    One of the most common excuses used to get rid of older workers is “job elimination.” Photo: Getty Images
    Older workers are still suffering in the aftermath of the Great Recession. More than half the people aged 50 and older who participated in a recent AARP survey said they had either experienced or witnessed age discrimination in the workplace. Yet four out of five Americans over 50 say that they are going to have to delay their retirement plans and work well into their golden years. These two factors together have created a crisis for baby boomers.
    Companies looking to ditch older employees can be creative in the ways they try to avoid age discrimination claims. Here are 11 of their sneakiest ploys.
    1. Job elimination. One of the most common excuses used to get rid of older employees is “job elimination.” However, that may just be an excuse for what is really age discrimination. If the company is not really eliminating the job, just changing the title and putting someone younger is your former position, you may have an age discrimination claim.
    2. Layoff. The company is supposed to attach to a layoff notice a list of other employees included and excluded from the layoff, along with their ages. Employers can be sneaky about the way they put together these reports. Some will show only select departments or specific job titles, which don’t give the whole picture. More often, they’ll include a few under-40 employees to make the bloodletting look less like age discrimination.
    Still, if you are selected for layoff and younger, less-qualified employees at your level are not, you might have an age discrimination claim. If you’re part of a one-person or small “layoff” and you can show that younger people are not being included, then you may be able to prove age discrimination.
    3. Suddenly stupid. If, after years of great performance reviews, you’re getting reprimanded for things everyone does, or being nitpicked for things the company didn’t care about before, it’s possible that the company is gearing up for what I call the “suddenly stupid defense.” They’re building a case to get rid of you for poor performance – trying to show a “legitimate reason” other than age for firing you. If you’re being targeted for write-ups when younger employees do the same things and aren’t written up, you may have an age discrimination claim.
    4. Threatening your pension. I’ve seen cases where the company threatened that if the employee didn’t retire right away, it would look for ways to go after that worker’s pension. That’s a scary threat, but it may be a hollow one. First of all, few people have what would be considered a “pension” (a lump sum paid out every month). Most people have 401(k)s or similar savings plans that your employer can’t touch.
    Your employer may claim that you can lose your right to your vested pension if you’re fired “for cause,” but it’s not that easy. You have appeal rights if they deny your benefits, and you can sue if you aren’t satisfied with the administrator’s decision. If you’re being threatened, it’s time to run speedy-quick to an employment lawyer in your state who handles claims under the Employee Retirement Income Security Act or ERISA – the law governing employee pension plans and other employee benefits.
    5. Early retirement. One way employers get rid of older employees is offering a package that includes incentives to take early retirement. Some of these packages are too good to pass up on, so if you are offered one, consider it carefully. If you turn it down, remember you can still be fired at will. However, if the company only fires the older folks, you might have an age discrimination claim. If the early retirement is involuntary, such as when the only alternative offered is being fired, then it probably violates age discrimination laws.
    6. Mandatory retirement age. If your employer still has a mandatory retirement age, it’s probably breaking the law. There are exceptions for firefighters and law enforcement. There is also a very limited exemption for employees who are at least 65 years old, who were bona fide executives or high-level policy-makers for their last two years, and who received an immediate nonforfeitable retirement benefit of at least $44,000.
    7. Cutting job duties. One way to force older employees out is to cut job duties, limiting your authority and humiliating you with low-level tasks. You may have age an discrimination claim if this happens. So don’t just quit in disgust. (See “Is It Better To Quit Or Get Fired?”)
    8. Isolation. Cutting you out of meetings, excluding you from lunches, and sticking you in a cubicle far from the action is another way employers try to get older employees to quit. If only younger employees are being included in activities from which you are excluded, this is evidence of age discrimination.
    9. Denying promotions or opportunities for advancement. It’s illegal for an employer to deny you a promotion just because they think you’ll retire soon. Cutting job duties and isolating you are sneaky ways for them to claim you don’t have the experience or qualifications to get a promotion or to advance in the company. If your opportunities are limited after you hit one of those age milestones, it’s time to document what is happening and see whether they are also targeting younger employees for similar treatment.
    10. Cutting hours. Another way to put senior employees under duress is to cut hours to the bone. Starving you to death is a way to force you to quit. Here, too, look around and see if older employees are being targeted.
    11. Harassment. Cutting hours and job duties, isolating you and assigning menial tasks are all forms of harassment. Other examples of age-based harassment are: calling you the “old man,” or “old lady”; constantly asking when you’re going to retire; saying you’re senile; or making other comments related to age.
    Follow the company’s policy for reporting harassment. I suggest you do that in writing. Title this document, “Formal Complaint of Age-Based Harassment and Discrimination.” Describe how you’re being singled out for treatment different than younger coworkers. Note any ageist comments that have been made to you; any other older employees being targeted; and whether there are any witnesses or evidence. Give the company a chance to investigate. If they don’t remedy the situation or if the harassment continues, it might be time to contact an employment lawyer.
    If there are signs at work that you’re being targeted because of your age, make sure you document everything. Take steps to protect yourself before it’s too late.

  • May 14, 2015 at 6:48 pm

    Retaining and Benefiting From Long-Term Employees
    May 3rd, 2011 by CAI
    All successful company leaders and senior management executives understand the value that comes from long-term employee relationships. With low levels of turnover, organizations are better positioned for success, internal consistency and stability, but how can companies get to the point where employees consider their place of employment permanent instead of temporary? It all comes down to maintenance, recognizing individual and departmental needs and making those needs an overall company priority. Here are five ways to keep your employees’ loyalty at a high level:
    Motivating and challenging workload – Boredom is one of the fastest ways to have your staff turn to job employment search engines. There is little or no excitement that comes from performing the same routine day-to-day. Even though the mundane tasks still need completion, make sure employees are participants in interesting projects and that their workload is challenging.
    Acknowledgement and appreciation of work well done – Confirmation of strong performance is more effective than you may realize. By publicly acknowledging the achievements of your staff, you remind individuals of their own personal value to the organization, which is critical. When employees can visually recognize that the work they do not only matters, but makes a difference on a companywide scale, they have little reason to find satisfaction elsewhere.
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    Healthy working environment – Does your company operate under high levels of tension, stress or anxiety? Monitor the environment your employees are exposed to and try to keep high levels of stress and concern within executive offices. When employees are aware of all elements of the organization, performance levels may decrease because of the concern and worry that arises.
    Personal relationships and understanding – Employees are likely to remain loyal when relationships have a personal component. It’s important to maintain the subordinate-management roles, but make sure that employees understand you are there for support, mentorship and guidance.
    Long-term employees have a strong organizational knowledge base that will assist in the teaching and training of new company members. Investing in your current staff will always benefit you and your company in the long run.
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  • May 15, 2015 at 7:02 am

    I finally broke down and read some of these comments on this blog after hearing about them from various friends. I only have A few comments (that surely won’t be posted), you people (the Gardners, Noftal, and your other cronies) have way too much time on your hands and really need to find something constructive to do and possibly consider medication. You all sound like little children who throw a tantrum when you don’t get your way. Mr. Harden should ignore you all and remember no matter who is in his position he or she will be treated the same when they don’t follow in line with Noftal’s, Gardner’s and their followers demands.

    • May 15, 2015 at 9:21 am

      I am always sorry to see some one leave our fine City, but if calling out and demanding reform of the corruption and incompetence that abounds in Port Orange government has bothered you as it has, then I think you made a good decision for yourself in deciding to move elsewhere.
      Hopefully you will not find any activists demanding accountability and transparency from the government where ever you have moved, AND if you ever decide to join the fight for good municipal government in Port Orange we would welcome you joining our ranks.
      Best of luck in your new locale.

      • May 15, 2015 at 2:10 pm

        Seems like you people look for problems, particularly the berm issue, where there are none. You search for review engineers to agree with you and if they don’t, then they must not know what they are talking about, so you keep searching. Look long enough and spend more and more of the city’s money and eventually you will find someone who agrees with you. Find a real problem to focus on, if you honestly think you’re doing something worth while.

        • May 17, 2015 at 12:55 pm

          I thought you left town peg leg. We should be so lucky.

      • May 15, 2015 at 4:09 pm

        To Ted from Hank:
        I don’t know when the “proud ex port orange resident” left Port Orange, but I wonder if he or she is up on some of the latest evidence of how Port Orange citizens have been shortchanged. You and I Ted see incompetency, scheming, mindlessness, grave misdeeds, discontent, and a harmful spirit of falsehood accommodation. Some of the grand old people of Port Orange would prefer to suppress the bad news of a haughty bureaucratic city government lacking sophistication in methods of adequate administration. Sounds like this ex Port Orange resident is now a stranger to Port Orange. The “we are family” crowd is still here albeit some may have moved away.
        I don’t think the ex Port Orange resident has a grasp of the complex motives associated with the berm issue.
         hank

        • May 15, 2015 at 9:10 pm

          Hank, it really saddens me to see how you have become a person of such pointless and nonfactual rhetoric. Following the crooked trail of a bunch of angry jaded feeling residents who have shown no effort what-so-ever to be part of a true solution or effort to make our City better. Their only focus is to tear it down and apart. Hank, you are better than that. At least a lot of us thought you were. There was a time (long ago) where it seemed as though you provided our community with quality worthwhile information, that was accurate and valued. Have you used all that up? Do you not have anything more of value to offer? I hope so!

    • May 15, 2015 at 9:02 pm

      Wow . . . I am impressed to finally see a comment that is point on! Well said. Ted’s views of government are totally warped and self created hog wash, just so he has something to do. Moving furniture and boxes of people’s crap apparently does not stimulate his brain.

      • May 16, 2015 at 4:36 am

        Repeated flooding that makes Dunlawton impassable for Port Orange residents and contiguous cities and floods the Ruth Street/Powers Avenue neighborhood and our homes is a reality. A 2.9 million dollar taxpayer funded flood mitigation project was mishandled and not functional. Human error documented by David Harden’s report after the recent flood of 9/24/14 and Andrew Neff’s report of this past week detailing the city’s sorry mismanagement in the person of Fred Griffith aided and abetted by the engineer of record, Andrew Gianinni and Quentin Hampton in that mismanagement and lack of transparency and competence. City policy was not followed. Standard engineering policies were violated. Best practices were not followed. That is not under debate. It’s acknowledged. All regulatory agencies involved are worried at these revelations.
        Why does this not appall all of you? How would any of you cheerleaders for the city be reacting if this were happening in your neighborhoods. Cypress Head or Waters Edge?
        Human decency? Concern for fellow homeowners and taxpayers? Concern for my elderly mom who is 92, a retired Volusia county teacher and trapped here with us in our flooded neighborhood? I have owned this home here in Portt Orange for 36 years and worked hard all my life as has my PhD husband. Mike Gardner, a serious taxpayer and long term employer in Volusia county. What the hell is wrong with you people?

        • May 16, 2015 at 3:51 pm

          Hank to Dianne:
          I think there are a significant number of people who are appalled at the flooding and how it has been handled. It is tragic. Ted, Mike, Newton, and Mark have had to badger to get valid investigations in process. When they make progress we should acknowledge it. There are a few (or maybe only one anonymous blogger) who will not accept a seemingly good investigation because of who had conducted it. That seems to be counterproductive and seems to suggest that he, she or they are playing this game for only personal reasons, and really could not give a damn about your plight. Others who are too busy with their everyday lives are not interested in civic affairs or the problems of some of our neighbors. Some who blog on this web site know your hardships but are inclined to play them down in favor of supporting the former regime of governmental misfits. Why? Money, personal favors, influence, and old misguided loyalties are probably at play.
          Some people are afraid to show compassion, because there has been a tragedy of compassion in America. There is a tendency to remain neutral in the face of contests between government and citizens, because some day that government can hurt you. That I have been told is why this web site has more anonymous bloggers than named authors.
          I certainly feel for you Dianne. You, your neighbors, and your family has have to put up with many of these flood disasters and in case that is not enough, those who were in a position to mitigate those problems, screwed up, covered up, deceived, and Allen The Great predicted more flooding in your homes.
          Bob Ford has provided some hope by taking the position that a berm will be built. I hope the berm will help, but I fear that until the cities north of Port Orange stop building concrete malls like Trader Joe’s, that there will just be too much water draining down into Port Orange from up North. I think it is going to take more than Port Orange to provide some relief to the families in these flood zones. Our influence what little there may be is somewhat restricted to Port Orange. Developers have power and influences all over this area.
          We can bring a sense of some fairness into the problems by holding those responsible for past mistakes responsible, thus providing an incentive to make fewer mistakes in the future. I feel your pain Dianne. What may seem like a personal issue for you is a public issue, and at least the problems have been aired, gotten attention, and hopefully the deception should be hard to repeat as was perpetrated in the dreadful history of a lack of leadership in these events.
          If we care, it is important that we write to express our compassion. The spirit of humanity seems to be lost in the bureaucratic world, and it is up to us, you and me, to write that we care about justice and fairness. You and your husband have through your writings and appearances before the city council have been slowly molding public opinion. It is not surprising that for personal interests there are some among us who criticize our badgering. Did you notice on POGTV in the last city council meeting, seated behind Ted Noftall when Ted started addressing the city council, the husband of Debra O’Conner gestured with his finger to remind Allen the Great to press the button of the egg timer? Are we watching the dustbin of reform showing obstinacy in embracing a new future in Port Orange?
          I wish the best for you and us all.
          Sincerely hank

          • May 16, 2015 at 10:03 pm

            Thank you Hank for your kind words and your compassion for our neighborhood…and my good neighbors….. many of whom have flooding issues far worse than mine….and I agree……Port Orange is full of wonderful decent caring people. As is the world. I know that. And these are complex issues and people are busy. I am glad we are retired.
            I do think that the nature of Port Orange politics and this council as it has been managed by Allen Green for his own agenda for decades and his frankly brutal use of raw power when he deems it necessary, causes many to be hesitant to openly express concern for wrongs being done to various communities like mine with the failed flood mitigation project. Or to address any of the wrongs done in the past years under the Parker/Kisela/Green reign. We know the list. They are afraid because they know they may need to approach this council as the supplicants we all are here in Port Orange. And that favors are dispensed in a very arbitrary manner and usually depends on who you are.
            Anyone who can read and has an ounce of fairness knows there was zero due diligence in the way Griffith and Giannini managed this project from start to finish. This city’s management is slipshod and careless and the city is run like a closed shop with the taxpayer paying the freight. Been this way for decades. Mistakes were made, will continue to be made and there is never any accountability. Install internal controls? Follow best practices? Nah…. We just move on. Its what we do in Port Orange.
            And I get the deal… if they are developers, they need the city’s good offices for permitting, if they are HOAs, or folks at Cypress Head wanting their golf course renovated, or if they serve at the mayor’s pleasure like people associated with the Chamber, they know they need to be careful. You do not want to get crossways with Allen Green. You will find yourself looking for another job or not getting something your neighborhood desperately needs. I get that one. I know. We are crossways with Allen Green. Nothing will be happening for this neighborhood. There will never be a berm built. I will die living in a neighborhood that floods.
            We all know that things are not done fairly or rationally in this community. Nor are monies allocated based on common sense priorities.
            And Mike Gardner will continue to pursue good government now till he is dead in this city. I hope they know that. And he will do it with relentless research in a linear fashion with great deliberation. Its his nature. And I will be there as his trusty sidekick doing my best to keep up. And Ted Noftall has the tenacity of a pit bull and a boundless intellect. And incredible accounting knowledge. Gardner and Noftall are a pretty tough tag team.
            So we will just keep on keeping on.
            And I hope you will not be injured in any way by some of these idiots who need to resort to essentially kicking verbal dirt on people. Anonymously or otherwise. Gods know in this city, we can keep our comments to the issues and the facts and have adequate fodder for our writings for a very long time. Port Orange is a target rich environment. These folks are not exactly forensic debaters. “Slimy hypocritical rock”….come on….that is pretty lame.
            Ok..thank you again for a thoughtful post. You are one of the good guys.
            Dianne Templeton Gardner

          • May 17, 2015 at 7:37 am

            I too feel bad for the Gardners. Questions, so you build the berm, then what? Where do you expect the water to go? It has to go somewhere. So it floods other residents, but I guess that’s ok. This is Florida people, we have a very low water table, with very low property elevations, and when we get so much water, so quickly as we did when this gripe fest apparently started, there isn’t much you can do, nothing is a cure all, it’s common sense. I doubt the berm or much else could make much difference.
            Oh one other thing, didn’t I read that the city staff pretty much dropped the ball on this and didn’t operate the system as designed? So why the fixation on this one thing?
            I’m not saying you people don’t have some legitimate complaints, but in this one case, it appears like you need to be focusing your energy elsewhere.

          • May 17, 2015 at 9:37 am

            You raise a great point ‘ Ex ……… ‘ Where was the canal water held back by the berm supposed to go ? Perhaps the Manager will ask QLH that very question.
            One thing is for sure either the berm will perform as designed or it will not – AND it was not designed to flood other people.
            To do so would be in breach of several State Statues something QLH – the design engineers would never do AND something the SJRWMD would never have permitted . I
            Conversely if QLH failed to adequately model the canal, something they have never admitted to pubically, then beyond issues of competent design and continued use and reliance on that firm — Taxpayers are due one hell of a refund on their $ 2.9 million Drainage Improvements Project.
            BECAUSE the dirty little secret hers is that the water storage pond constructed behind Ruth Street was designed with the assumption that the berm would contain the canal water within its banks
            AND IF the canal floods its banks Dunlawton Ave will be rendered impassable NO MATTER what pumping or pre-pumping is done at what is nothing more than a glorified reclaimed water augmentation pond.
            That is not my opinion that is the pubically stated answer given by QLH,
            The issue here is not the Gardners. The issue is that Dunlawton Ave is both an emergency route for us all, AND an evacuation for people living east of the railroad tracks and on beach side.
            The whole purpose of the berm was to keep Dumlawton Ave passable in all but the most severe storm events. The berm was not built and Dunlawton Ave flooded after only 5 hours of heavy rain last September.
            Now explain it to me again. How is this problem going to be solved by ” focusing our energy elsewhere ” as you have suggested ? .

          • May 17, 2015 at 9:46 am

            Excellent observation Proud; the city did drop the ball and did not have the ponds pumped down before that rain event of 9/24/14.
            But pumped down ponds unfortunately are not what would have saved us. The berm is the only element of this project that would stop the flooding of Dunlawton and our downstream neighborhood.
            Stated very clearly in a memo from Andrew Giannini and I quote: “The pond was analyzed without the influence of the canal as a stand alone system due to the fact that if the canal overtops its banks, the pond volume is inundated by flood waters from the canal.”
            The Halifax Canal is the 800 pound gorilla in the room. We were not even clear that there was a deleted berm in the project and we found that out only with much digging after the 9/25/14 flood.
            We listened to Andrew Giannini back on May 18, 2010 when he assured Ken Parker and Dennis Kennedy this project would keep Dunlawton open in an event that rivaled the May rain event of 2009. If you have 10 minutes, I think you may be interested in the exchange between Parker and Gianinni. No qualifications from Giannini. He states this project will keep Dunlawton open.
            Link to that below too:
            So without the berm, everything else is academic. We will flood when the canal overtops its banks. And our position is this too: the permit was issued with a berm in place. It appeared to be sound engineering when it was issued. What changed? Was it bad engineering then or is it bad now? Or are there other factors at play here? SJRWMD says we can build it right this minute.
            Link to the actual memo which is posted on this website is below and the demand letter from SJRWMD stating the project was not completed in accordance with the authorized design information and that it must be completed or the permit “modified”.
            I hope you will read all the material on this blog that relates to this permitting, how the berm was deleted and its implications. Think then you will begin to see our concerns as homeowners directly affected by this situation and as taxpayers.
            And if there is no berm, then what will there be to stop the flooding? Because 4 floods in 20 years is unacceptable. And they are getting closer together. And finally someone will die because Dunlawton is impassable or they cannot escape this neighborhood due to flooding. I do not want it to be a member of my family.

          • May 17, 2015 at 12:02 pm

            Well, we can agree to disagree, I am not an engineer and I don’t believe anyone else in this discussion is either, but common sense dictates that with all the rain we got in such a short time, a little mound of dirt ( to simplify) is NOT a cure all. I don’t know any of these engineers and I don’t believe any them are stupid people and I’m sure they know more than any of us do especially with all factors that have to taken into account.
            When I said focus your energy elsewhere, I mean focus on issues that are solvable . Flooding, in low places, on the coast, in Florida isn’t one of them. I can’t imagine there is a magic bullet and putting all you efforts on the “little mound of dirt” isn’t it.
            Again we can agree to disagree. Have a nice rest of your weekend

          • May 17, 2015 at 12:03 pm

            Well, we can agree to disagree, I am not an engineer and I don’t believe anyone else in this discussion is either, but common sense dictates that with all the rain we got in such a short time, a little mound of dirt ( to simplify) is NOT a cure all. I don’t know any of these engineers and I don’t believe any them are stupid people and I’m sure they know more than any of us do especially with all factors that have to taken into account.
            When I said focus your energy elsewhere, I mean focus on issues that are solvable . Flooding, in low places, on the coast, in Florida isn’t one of them. I can’t imagine there is a magic bullet and putting all you efforts on the “little mound of dirt” isn’t it.
            Again we can agree to disagree. Have a nice rest of your weekend

          • May 17, 2015 at 12:06 pm

            Well, we can agree to disagree, I am not an engineer and I don’t believe anyone else in this discussion is either, but common sense dictates that with all the rain we had in such a short time, a little mound of dirt ( to simplify) is NOT a cure all. I don’t know any of these engineerrs, I don’t believe any them are stupid people and I’m sure they know more than any of us THINK we do about these matters.
            When I said focus your energy elsewhere, I mean focus on issues that are solvable . Flooding, in low places, on the coast, in Florida isn’t one of them. I can’t imagine there is a magic bullet and putting all you efforts on the “little mound of dirt” isn’t it.
            Again we can agree to disagree. Have a nice rest of your weekend

      • May 16, 2015 at 7:45 pm

        Let me see if I have got this straight ‘ Point On ‘
        Without the benefit of sworn depositions or criminal indictment citizen activists including myself have uncovered cover-up after cover-up that have caused taxpayers tens of millions and in so doing have proved the very people in which so much trust has been placed to most skilled in accommodation followed up with lying and cheating. .
        We have shown 3 managers to have been useful tools for a manipulative Mayor, and we have detailed multiple occasions where Council has failed to take appropriate action.
        AND YOU believe my views of goverment as needing to be responsible, accountable and
        transparent are ” totally warped ” What department are you the head of again ???

        • May 16, 2015 at 9:39 pm

          Probably Administrative Services!

          • May 17, 2015 at 2:47 pm

            Maybe it’s Freida Steinegriff or was that Griffinstein?

        • May 23, 2015 at 11:50 am

          To Ted and Dianne: I wonder if some opinions from the incognito bloggers are those of people just arriving to understand the problems discussed on this blog, or if they are merely believers in the old guard and refuse to accept that solutions have been proposed by Ted, many times. And contrary to the complaints about negativism but not the problems, those who seek reform back up the contradictions found in past testimony by those who should have known better, with document transcripts,memos and even video. The faith of 2+2=6, because of a resistence to change for what ever reason, is live and well in Port Orange. In addition, all those who think there are more important problems to solve other than flooding in Port Orange are free to bring them into the dicussions on this blog. Those adamantly against reform in Port Orange government and politics make a sad case forl themselves.= hank

          • May 23, 2015 at 1:53 pm

            Hank are you in the early stages of dementia and don’t remember your vehement declaration that you will never post again on this blog do to your consternation of anonymous bloggers or are you simply a cantankerous old man with no integrity subject to estrogen induced fits of cranky old man temper who changes his mind and breaks his word as the wind blows? Do us all a favor and take a big tablespoon of Gerotol, put on a bib, make yourself up a nice hot Ovaltine, sit back in your rocking chair, and turn on your television to the Lawrence Welk show and rock yourself to sleep with old timer music.

          • May 24, 2015 at 5:32 pm

            YO…..REMINDER…..we know who you are LG. I betcha I can tell a few of your anonymous names. Step off Hank YOU senior beater!!

  • May 18, 2015 at 8:34 pm

    Most of us of advanced years that are coming to the end of our incarnational sojourn here on earth gain some wisdom and do a retrospective of our life and try to get our house in order to meet our maker, to find our place in the universe, or whatever concept of spiritual actualization we may have. With all of his religious rhetoric on the read file, David Harden has demonstrated that he is devoid of any spiritual fidelity, integrity, or life acquired wisdom, but is nothing more than a whited wall and a self-serving hypocrite. He has effectively reassembled Allen Green’s special interest administrative power block, and will finish off his life legacy where it started in Winter Park, which is getting his crony friends from his church group high paying city contract jobs, and procuring tax free discounts on auto purchases through fleet maintenance for his utility director buddy and himself. He will not be here for more than a few months and will miss the implosion of the actions he has set into motion. He will not be asked to quietly leave like he was in Winter Park in true ICMA fashion. Adios Elmer Gantry, enjoy finishing the work on your Victorian mansion that you took a break from to enter into intensive prayer and selfless service for the city of Port Orange. It looks like your mission is almost done and you have completed what the mayor has commissioned you to do

  • May 22, 2015 at 8:33 pm

    Didn’t know Bob Ford was elected to Gardiner/Noftall District # 1 instead of Port Orange District # 1 .

  • May 23, 2015 at 3:00 pm

    Boo Hoo Anon. That is not exactly what you didn’t know at all. What you didn’t know was that Bob Ford was elected by Citizens For a Better Port Orange all across our great City. You and the old guard can cry us a river and it is not going to change a thing. Green and his cronies are doing their final swan song before they exit stage left in the 2016 elections.

    • May 23, 2015 at 3:55 pm

      His final swan song has been to hire Harden, Rheems, Rosen, Neff, and Adumah. I am sure he will hire a city manager to lead this FCCMA misfit team of baggage laden yes men who in many cases were asked to leave their previous assignments with scandals behind them right back into a special interest modality to further destroy the integrity of the organization and I would guess that he will do it with the council’s blessing.

      • May 24, 2015 at 11:35 am

        Yes, the joke is on us citizens. With the council’s directive for an interim ICMA city manager the likes of Harden to preselect the management team for the next city manager should also be a joke on him if he has any integrity and is worth his weight in salt. It is abundantly clear that the council is determined to resurrect the failed special interest management team that recently made its exodus from Port Orange and have a primed group of FCCMA hacks ready for the incoming special interest city manager to continue with the directives and interests of the mayor and his cronies. It appears that any hope for reform and a progressive administrative organization in Port Orange is being systematically dashed by the mayor and his lackey David Harden with the blessing of the city council.


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