Lame Excuses?

ted0To; David Harden
Manager Harden your excuses ( Property Appraiser July 1st  final estimate, And the late June 2015  State Budget adoption )   are unacceptable.
Multiple year budgets are prepared all the time,  But were your excuses a real impediment  multiple year budgets would be a physical impossibility.
You need to quit with your lame  excuses and release a draft budget without further delay so as to allow adequate time for all concerned to  study that document. 
Ted Noftall
for responsible government  –  2016

—–Original Message—–
From: Harden, David []
Sent: Monday, June 22, 2015 8:57 AM
To: Ted Noftall
Cc: Bob Ford;; Drew Bastian; Green, Allen; Stiltner, Scott
Subject: RE: Property Taxation Is Not a Game Mr Manager
Although the Finance Director did attend the event, the Finance Department had no significant involvement in developing the Budget Game.
The City Code, in Section 2-291, requires that the City Manager present a budget to the City Council “on or before August 1”.  I expect to present my recommended budget well before then.  Bear in mind that the Property Appraiser’s final estimate of taxable value is not due until July 1, and state revenue estimates are late being released this year because the legislature did not adopt a budget for FY 2016 until this month.

From: Ted Noftall []
Sent: Friday, June 19, 2015 3:04 PM
To: ‘Harden, David’
Cc: Bob Ford (;; Drew Bastian (; Mayor Green (; Scott Stiltner (
Subject: Property Taxation Is Not a Game Mr Manager
Manager Harden what is going on here.
It is now the 19th of June  and Council and the people they were elected to represent have yet to see the semblance of  even so much as a partial  draft  of the  Operating Budget for FY 2016
It is bad enough that you have yet to present any FY 2016 Operating  budget numbers,   but to learn last week that you permitted  your inexperienced Finance staff to take valuable time away from preparing the real budget  to organize highly propagandized budget games designed to encourage greater  government spending by ill  informed  participants is beyond the pale.
Levying taxes on the properties of residents who have struggled to acquire their homes and businesses is not a game,  and it is unacceptable for you to repeatedly  pressure Council  in shade meetings for direction regarding  increases for  salary and benefits  which account for nearly 50 % of total City expenditures  when you have yet to provide  any insight into the expected operating revenues and expenses for FY 2016
Manager Harden when do you intend presenting at least a draft Operating Budget for FY 2016 ??
Ted Noftall
for responsible government  –  2016


4 thoughts on “Lame Excuses?

  • June 23, 2015 at 9:43 am

    Keep the proposed budget hidden till the last minute is an old political game. Give the taxpayers as little time as possible to talk about it — especially if there is a big TAX increase. Most likely the Mayor and council told him to do it that way

  • June 23, 2015 at 9:04 pm

    Who was it that said “We have to pass it to see what’s in it”. If we look back staff came to council with a proposal to keep any of the budget out of sight till after the appraisal announcement. Council wanted to see sooner 4-1 I think but all we have thus far is a draft CIP. This is no different than many many items that have come for approval with a deadline before the next meeting. With the right job classifications and higher pay scales already in place and more raises sure to be coming or asked for, it is going to be an interesting drama come mil rate time.

  • June 25, 2015 at 8:19 am

    Some of us are expecting the city council to increase our local taxes big-time this year to fund all the recent increases in city payroll and other city operations But did you know that one of our bleeding heart councilmen is planning to build a homeless shelter here in Port Orange or Daytona using our local taxpayers funds
    But don’t be to concerned because if the council keeps up with their spending spree more of us will soon be homeless and will need that homeless shelter . Thank you Drew for looking out for the counties homeless and not your local taxpayers

  • June 25, 2015 at 7:48 pm

    Poor little Drew. He is usually criticized for being led around by the nose by Scott or Bob and when he has a stupid idea of his own he is criticized for his stupid idea. Drew was elected to make things better for his union buddies and he will have no reservations about jacking our taxes to pay for their raises. .


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