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Hank Springer too had some questions and doubts about this expensive 4 hour class in leadership. It seems to me that the candy store is still open in city hall for various number of people to come up to the counter and ask for sugar coated gifts. When will the city council members start clamping down on expensive goodies delivered to practically all who come looking for tax payers’ money?
This is an expesnive 4 hour class which purports to teach leadership? Give us a break! How stupid and gullible does the city council think we are? When will it ever stop? Never, says Hank because our governmental institutions are not administered by leaders, and our politicians who we elect are gutless and once they get into the city council seat, start playing a different game. The game is, I scratch your back, and in some time in the future I expect you to scratch my back.
But dare not the citizens get a little itchy, because they are treated as a necessary evil, and if they can’t learn to shut up, are called bullies. I have no idea what the answer is to our national and local problem. It does not seem like rhetoric has any effect any more.
You twenty people who go to the $28,000 four hr. class on leadership, be it known that some of us resent you going there on our tax dollars. In fact, let’s get the names of the twenty who go to this four hour class which our elected leaders feel we citizens want to send them to. If we suggest , we are considered to be demanding, if we are persistent we are considered bullies, so what the hell, let’s start bullying.
Ted, you go right back there every week and bully the hell out of them, although I don’t see it as bullying. And Mike, you are so reasonable and polite, and just look at where it is getting you. They ignored you at the city council meeting.
City Hall is bullying us and at the same time asking us to be respectful and polite. I know exactly what the opposition will be to Ted Noftall. It is called kill the messenger in whatever way you can. I expect this will be the case in the next local political election and Mark Bernier and his establishment friends will blame it all on those “crazies” in Port Orange. I don’t see it that way. If I did, I would say so.
Come out of the closet you low profile special interests. Speak up with your names as authors of opinions and tell me where I am wrong. I saw about a dozen of you one night at a city council meeting when you came forward to ask the city council to silence Ted and his activists. It is rare when we see you in public, and not secretly networking at social get togethers in the chamber of commerce or Hooligans.
Mike, Ted, keep speaking up for the average citizen. If the average citizen can not be educated to learn what is going on in Port Orange, so be it, and they can suffer the consequences,like not earning a special pass to the city golf course like some Cypress Head residents have.
And by the way, city of Port Orange, we have a club house in summer Trees, built by that guy Russel, you know the one who owns the property where the city built a dock. you know the dock to nowhere? Where is the bathroom in my club house? When is the city going to give us a candy bar from its free counter and build us a bathroom in our clubhouse which is in a community of age 55 and older. Sure, Cypress Head gets candy store money to maintain its real estate values, and those not in the “our family group” in port orange gets butkiss.
There will be big condos on U.S. 1 before Summer Trees raises money to build a bathroom in its little shack of a clubhouse. I like Summer Trees, I knew I could afford Summer Trees, that’s why I did not move into the Fly In or Cypress Head.
But I didn’t understand that local financial interests would make me kind of resentful and dubious about who gets the special considerations here in Port Orange. Consider me one of the “crazies”, I am getting very resentful, not envious, because I do not live beyond my means, do not expect the city to jump loops to keep up my real estate value, and know that no one will ever build us a bathroom in our little shack of a club house in Summer Trees. I invite Mr.Russel to come back, build us a bathroom, and make amends for how he shorted these people who do not live in Cypress head. To the community called the sanctuary, you are so correct not to let anyone through your property to get to the dock to nowhere. once you do that, the city will build a park on your property. They do and can think ahead. In all their projects with our money, they know what the ultimate vision is for the final project. Phase 1, phase 2, phase 3, and all that nonsense, and when the project is finally finished, it does not look anything like a riverwalk park, but more like a city project, and Spurce Creek is no longer serene.
And listen up folks. There is now a non profit group advancing efforts to spruce up Spuce Creek. You know what not for profit groups are? They are the advanced marine corps for business special interests. What do I predict for Spruce Creek? Alive, boating, marinas, noisey Spruce Creek with a condo built somewhere overlooking this beautiful creek, not tatoo parlors, but I can imagine a nudist colony somewhere near Mayor Green’s retirement home on the creek.
The vision for Spruce Creek. The kayak and boating marina in LaCour’s riverwalk park, the dock to no where with probably a creekside restaurant, Cracker Creek business expansion, and more anonymous donors for the Gamble Place. And what else? Someone knows I suspect. Can anyone believe all this attention to Spruce Creek simply for the 12 cars with its kayaks parked in the drainage property for the City of Port Orange in Bonks Landing. Meanwhile, families who want to go boating out of the city parking field at the causeway dock get tickets for parking on the grass when on nice weekends there are no more parking spaces in the parking field. A word to the wise to the boaters. Get a special pass to go golfing in Cypress Head City Of Port Orange Golf Course.
LOL – can you tell I am getting mad. I don’t even have a pitch fork.
Mike Gardner to city manager of Port Orange;
Dear Manager Johansson,
At last night’s Council meeting I raised a couple questions regarding the “leadership training” item that were left unanswered after the 5-0 vote to approve the item. I did not raise the questions in a frivolous manner nor do I consider them a waste of time. By the same token, I freely admit I can be reading the information wrong and drawing erroneous conclusions from it.
Please take a couple minutes to set the record straight about these points of confusion:
- The request appears to be for $28,824.00 ($22,716.00 for mid-level supervisor training and $6108.00 for Department Head consultation). The Agenda Item commentary seems to imply that the City can get grant funding to cover $20,000.00. However, the actual grant application shows Instructor Wages totaling $42,716.00 ($22,716.00 from the City and $20,000.00 from the grant)–see the first page of the attachment.
- The Agenda Item commentary as well as statements from Mr Neff at the meeting indicate that the training is to be given to mid-level supervisors and foremen in the Utility Department. However, the actual grant application specifies that the employees must not be “earning a self-sufficient wage” in order to qualify for funding–see the second page of the attachment.
Can you clarify these seeming discrepancies?
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